What is it you can do to battle Stormers ????

What can you do to get ahead of the Stomers??? What do you see them doing and how can you counter and take the storm away from them. It is time to take your community back after an event.

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Rockydog Said: Hey roofguy, are you out of Texas? Pondingpump.com is out of Mesa, AZ. And the roofers I seen in El Paso, starting with Roberts and a few other locals, certainly werent any better than chuckinatruck. They put them selves off as locals and they are one of the bigger chsers in the industry. Back to the original topic, since we covered just about everything else except tinner saudering technics and OSs railroad station. I think the best way to handle stormchasers is to ramp up your buisness as much as you can, ride the wave, pickup as much fruit as your basket will hold. when it start to slow down you have tolet the ones you picked up go. The ones you pick up are some of the storm chasers anyway. Keep a keen eye on prodution to make sure you dont have any problems and hopefully make money. and have job security from all the screw ups from the other storm chasers.

Yes, we're out of Arlington, Springtown, and Lubbock Texas.

I sold Ponding Pump company to one of our Kold King customers in Mesa. He's done really well with it.

With me it has nothing to do with roofing. It has everything to do with the loss of freedom and liberties and the rampant and uncontrolled expansion of government and regulations in this country. It has to stop! And every industry has to stop giving it lip service by saying they're for limited government, but that an exception should be made in their industry for more regulations and government intervention.

We've become a nation of wimps! We need government to look out for ourselves and to keep the big ol' bad competitors from taking some of our business. What ever happened to that rugged individualism and self-direction that built this country? Fred Smith said it right, that a Fed Ex could never be built again today - there's too much red tape, regulations and government interfearance.

That's pretty-much all one can do....

Hey roofguy, are you out of Texas? Pondingpump.com is out of Mesa, AZ. And the roofers I seen in El Paso, starting with Roberts and a few other locals, certainly werent any better than chuckinatruck. They put them selves off as locals and they are one of the bigger chsers in the industry. Back to the original topic, since we covered just about everything else except tinner saudering technics and OS's railroad station. I think the best way to handle stormchasers is to ramp up your buisness as much as you can, ride the wave, pickup as much fruit as your basket will hold. when it start to slow down you have tolet the ones you picked up go. The ones you pick up are some of the storm chasers anyway. Keep a keen eye on prodution to make sure you don't have any problems and hopefully make money. and have job security from all the screw ups from the other storm chasers.

CIAK....Your correct on the Florida licensing...Intermingling technical aspects with licensing/consumer prorection is idiotic, in my opnion. There's already local municipalty bldg. dept's in place to take care of that.......That's one of the reasons I excused myself, (some 20 yrs ago), from a Co. trade org. committee on licensing....They just don't/couldn't get it.....I'm not the best communicator, so I gave up.

Roofguy...I'm about spent on this.....The quality issue is not merely my opinion....it's right here...It's fact. I've lived it...I've personally witnessed it. I've worked both, in states w/lic & states w/o licensing; The quality issue is most definite...Not just workmanship/quality issues either...But the shysters...OMG....Everyone's got a story of how they were ripped-off by a contractor, (a good majority of who were roofers).

TomB Said: Roofguy....Lets get something straight. I dont battle with the stormers...I dont have to....I live & work in an area that dossnt get hit with hail. In years past, Ive lived & worked in a major hail area; Colorados front range....I would never battle with stormers. Never HAD to......Could always find a more pleasant way to keep busy....IMO, theyre oportunistic parasites, plainn simple.....But Im just a dumb-ass dinosuar.

There is a HUGE difference in overall quality of work, when it comes to licensing....When I relocated to Colorado in 92, I was absolutely dumbfounded at the poor quality of work...EVERYWHERE!

It was a sobering event, for sure! I will NEVER, EVER complain about authentic contractor licensing. I put up with it, because I want to live in Colorado. Otherwise, business would be much easier in Calif. or a state w/similar licensing.

Rockys got that point nailed...Absolutely! No doubt about it.

Colorado, storm troopers, and licensing is not my point. My point is more general, that liberty and regulation are enemies. I realize that some rules and regulations are necessary - probably about 2% of the ones we have now.

As for quality being higher in areas with strict codes and licensure, that's merely your opinion/anecdote and is not supported by any facts. Some of the crappiest workmanship I've seen or even heard of was in Metro Dade, the strictest codes in the country.

Like gun laws, those restrictions have little affect on those who break the laws...they merely keep away those with enough concience to abide by the rules but who aren't inclined to add the complication and cost when other areas do not require it.

Texas has no licensure for roofers, and lax codes compared to many areas. Guess what, very good roofs are still installed and we don't have any more problems with fly by nights than you have in the Front Range of Colorado, the nation's #1 hail spot. I won't mention any names that many will recognize, but one of the largest and most crooked storm trooper roofing companies in the US operates out of Pueblo, Colorado and has for decades.

The advantage you think you enjoy because of licensure is mostly in your imagination.

Texas roofing companies believe that installing a good roof is the smart thing to do because it is the right thing to do and because it is good for business, not because he fears some overpaid government dimwitted inspector who doesn't know a hammer from a spud bar.

Yeah, theywill show sometimes. Most people don't pay it much mind though.

Rockydog Said: .

We wear our guns loaded down here. Visible or not.

Amen to that brother! I took special care today when I looked at roofs in Dallas with two adjusters, so that they didn't see my Glock 26 as I came down the ladder.

Roofguy....Lets get something straight. I don't battle with the stormers...I don't have to....I live & work in an area that dossn't get hit with hail. In years past, I've lived & worked in a major hail area; Colorado's front range....I would never battle with stormers. Never HAD to......Could always find a more pleasant way to keep busy....IMO, they're oportunistic parasites, plain'n simple.....But I'm just a dumb-ass dinosuar.

There is a HUGE difference in overall quality of work, when it comes to licensing....When I relocated to Colorado in 92', I was absolutely dumbfounded at the poor quality of work...EVERYWHERE!

It was a sobering event, for sure! I will NEVER, EVER complain about authentic contractor licensing. I put up with it, because I want to live in Colorado. Otherwise, business would be much easier in Calif. or a state w/similar licensing.

Rocky's got that point nailed...Absolutely! No doubt about it.

I shouldn't have compared a non-licensed roofer with one that is. I meant a wanna be roofer and a licensed one.

Egg, I didnt understand the sarcasm as to the flashings. I've read in many threads here that "we replace all" or "should replace all side wall flashings". and I disagreed. Granted if it's bad replace it. I think Ciak commented on the 8" of embedded flashing. I kinda grew up with licensing and don't really have a problem with it until the Governor comes and robs our kitty($6 million) to balance her budget. When you dont have licensing then I'm competing against mechanics, painters, boat repairmen, homeless shelters, masons, and the home owner, etc: " Oh roofing is easy, anybody can do it", why would you need a license. Take a look at the houses that a non-licensed roofer does and one that has a license. 99% of the time, not always, you have a far better job. when you get a group of these in the same neighborhood, the neighborhood looks like chit. No pride of ownership. Thats the kind of job most of the storm chasers do. Most of the states in tornado alley dont require licensing and thats where the chasers normally flock to. Now I understand there's a difference between roofing companies that don't need a license and wanna be roofers. Wanna be's and chasers give us all a black eye. TomB, I seen it in El,Paso,Texas in 2009. what a mess.

I could probably keep a whole lot more money in my pocket if I didnt have to tell the government everything I was doing, But i am happy with my 5% net, salary, car, boat, rv, toys and anything/everything else I can account for and share with my clients.

We wear our guns loaded down here. Visible or not.

TomB Said: No slip....Want as many undesireables, out of the way, as possibly.....Govt intrusion & crooks alike!

Licensing has nothing to do with local technical mechanics, (ie. specification/application requirements).

That's called wanting your cake and eating it too.

It hit me like a ton if bricks one day, that true freedom and maximum liberty comes with giving up some protections that make us feel safe. But the old adage goes something like: those who are willing to sacrifice liberties to gain safety, will end up with neither. You want protectionism from competition, and yet you claim to want limited government. You will have to choose because you cannot have both.

TomB Said: No slip....Want as many undesireables, out of the way, as possibly.....Govt intrusion & crooks alike!

Licensing has nothing to do with local technical mechanics, (ie. specification/application requirements).

No slip....Want as many undesireables, out of the way, as possibly.....Gov't intrusion & crooks alike!

Licensing has nothing to do with local technical mechanics, (ie. specification/application requirements).

egg Said: Been gone awhile happily forgetting about such things, but I see all yall been very busy.

Tim, over time I happen to have arrived at a good number of the same conclusions you have, but I side firmly with TomB on the subject of basic licensing. So long as the bar is low enough to make licensing accessible to a wide range of people, not just the rich, the slick, and the trick. But when you say, Almost NEVER is the solution to a problem found in more government regulation. I am curious what you are including in the almost.

(going back a couple of pages to a sub-thread) Rocky I can see you were speed-reading there when you say, I dont feel it is necessary to take it (sidewall flashing)out if it is in good shape and if its in good shape and you cant put a good roof on with it, then theres something wrong with your abililties. Most of our flashing will out last 3 shingle lifetimes.

Obviously.

I finally grasped that in Florida all those flashings have to be set in a solid 8 bed of mastic, per code. Well, yeah, youre not going to be saving any of that...

I cant even imagine tolerating those working conditions. Add to that, what was it Jeff said way back when...in the Keys every permit application had to have approx. 140 pages of wind upload specs included before it would even be considered. Can you even fathom that lunacy?

So we have people with Cat 4 hurricanes conversing with people with baseball sized hail, people with no hail, people with no rainfall. I know a lot of things can be standardized but in the back of my mind there is absolutely no doubt that many things cant. Wonder we speak the same language when its not the same language.

If licensing eliminated the crooks, then Metro Dade (the most restrictive in the US) would be devoid of crooked roofers. The truth is, it only gives cover to those crooks who are organized.

The problem comes when people say they are against over-regulation, but they want a few more regulations for their industry.

TomB Said: Huh???? be at LEAST 50% less roofing contractors here....AT LEAST.

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Tom, you slipped up and told your true agenda. You want government to step in ad eliminate your competition. That is your bottom line.