Where have all the posters gone?

Five words: Baton Rouge Chevy Dealership Roof. I know exactly who you are.

Well, there are over a half dozen of them and we have never been involved with them so I still dont know WTF you are on about. Like I said if you have evidence to the contrary then put it up here.

Look man, you've already threatened me with a law suit - why in the world would I want to shoot myself in the foot by coming out and saying who you are? As of right now you're an anonymous poster who hides his identity. That fact alone makes slander/libel impossible for you to suffer...I see no reason to change that.

I made my point with what I said and I'm done with it unless you insist on revisiting long-settled issues.

wywoody Said: OK, agreed, its all let-bygones-be-by-gones,accent the positive, tactfully point out the negative and welcome everyone. We need Roofguy around here. All the time Ill be thinking things like I wonder what the optimal water pressure a carwash can have before people claim its removing paint?. And Ive got nowhere to go to ask.

1100 psi, but as with the roofing business, you don't actually have to damage the paint before someone will claim you did.

Five words: Baton Rouge Chevy Dealership Roof. I know exactly who you are.

Well, there are over a half dozen of them and we have never been involved with them so I still don't know WTF you are on about. Like I said if you have evidence to the contrary then put it up here.

OK, agreed, it's all let-bygones-be-by-gones,accent the positive, tactfully point out the negative and welcome everyone. We need Roofguy around here. All the time I'll be thinking things like "I wonder what the optimal water pressure a carwash can have before people claim it's removing paint?". And I've got nowhere to go to ask.

Aw hell, just post some pictures of the work that all of you do. I can hear bickering at home for gosh sakes.

And you`re back before 6 months,now if we can stop the infighting,We can proceed to bs about roofing,life,whatever :)

Making false allegations can easily lead to a law suit...

LOL! How does your own medicine taste now, bubba? And thanks for saying what you needed to hear from me with me using your own words to tell you. What you posted was false, damaging, and libelous.

Whoever you think I am you are wrong.

Five words: Baton Rouge Chevy Dealership Roof. ;) I know exactly who you are.

TRG, I don't differ a great deal with what you said. Of the 5 or 6 here who have knocked us, you have been the ONLY one of them that wasn't too much of a coward to address some of the issues in private e-mail as well as here. Not one of the other guys were man enough to do that - instead they preferred the safety of number from their pack and a bullhorn. Not one of them were man enough to ask me to respond to the lies here that our company was "fined" or found guilty of "dodgy" dealings. Had they taken the time to do that I would have asked them to read the entire document, not just the page that spells out what we were to pay "back."

What I find the most annoying is the shallow thinking that causes someone to hear a handful of complaints out of customers that number 100+, and arrive at a conclusion about a company based upon a few opinions. Are 100% of your customers happy with you? If you answer yes, you're a liar.

Everyone here should know that when you get 100 roofers together, a few of them are dishonest, a few more are outright crooked, and few more have a basic human need to blame their failings in business on everyone around them except themselves. Heck, one of the most critical opponents of us, among members here, (who is very well known by all of you) who bought our equipment, owes us somewhere between $4,000 and $12,000 (the debt is over 2 years old and frankly I forgot how much it is...we'll never see it). It's so much easier to say we're the bad guys than it is to shell out several thousand dollars you own on emulsion etc. Did any of those handful of whiners bother to wonder why, out of 100+ rigs in 32 states, not one of them ever sued the company? Ever. It's one thing to come hear and spout off a bunch of half-truths, but it's quite another to actually believe what you say enough to enter into an environment where proof prevails over rumor. They haven't done that because they know the truth...and it's not the truth they seek, but vengence.

I also never requested to buy any rig,although I had requested info about them,and never received any,Don`t really think that was the point of the converstion,and don`t want to trash anyone,just saying,some people need to get over the past,some things were said,and done,and just don`t bear repeating--- Most people have the ability to have friends despite there being things that you may not like about someone,there`s usually plenty you can find to like,Let`s try

Well said Egg,Guess it all comes down to the flavor,,,when you first get here it tastes great,after being on a while,bickering,yada,yada,answering the same topics repeatedly,can cause the flavor to seem bland,taking a hiatus can bring the flavor back,as too much of anything is still too much-but the flavor does return,and I believe the posters do as well

I still hear that people have problems logging on (Bobby),River Rat Dad has a few new things in his life,and others are tending to things they neglected while on the internet,,,But for the disgruntled,,all you can do if you`re not happy,is work to change it,add or comment on some interesting topics,Post some pics of work you`ve done,or just do something--We`re here to help :)

Man, we do love to get into it. Bouncing back to the original question and being careful to avoid assigning any blame to anyone, my answer would be a lot of them are still here. The act of posting requires some energy and something akin to a burning desire to get in print. People wax and wane on that score. Then there was the worm; although it never did any physical damage to my computer, others got very jumpy. Then the format changes which caused the loss of the accessible history which had always been a huge asset. Difficulty with pictures, albums, what-not. Fortunately I had a habit of pulling whole threads that interested me off the web so I didn't lose track of the total collection. I seem to be having trouble locating Dan B's immortal description of working with pitch, though. I'm still hoping I have that. The fraternity got kind of fractured, but in the way of the natural world, that led to other people's ability to form their own connections. Some people probably just burned out. Others came in. Some found sites that were more comfortable to them I would imagine. Others may have left roofing altogether. Rather than ask what happened to 'all the posters' I would rather ask what happened to, say, miscreant, or Jeff, or Mike's favorite...rat daddy...y'all know that great photoshop genius Craig, or Wally the Corpse. In the end, wadoino? I would have said we'd lost Tim, but then here he is. Andy and Anita? Darryl? Ed the roofer? I'm sure they all have their different stories and their reasons. We've lost people since before we even had very many and all the while since, but others keep joining in. If we could just get rid of Old School and MikeNZ we'd probably all feel normal again. If I could get rid of everybody I might be able to finally hear myself think properly. You're all figments of my imagination anyway. I either need to do what Grady said and call a plumber or start meditating and eating more brown rice. If everyone came back at once it would probably be terrifying. Might even run out of coffee, heaven forbid.

Jed, why don't you just level with members here and tell them that you - like 5 other of my detractors here - have it in for me because I refused to sell you a rig? I think it's only fair to ask you to disclose that so that people can decide for themselves if that affects the value of your opinion.

I can understand when peoples' feeling get hurt when we tell them they can't buy a rig - it's not the normal buy/sell situation. Rarely is it because the person who wanted a rig isn't qualified to own one, although that IS the case with 2 members here. It's usually just a matter of logistics in that we don't want a rig shoved into every nook and cranny. Robert can vouch for that - I rejected a sale to his competitor 1 week after he saw Robert's new rig on a grocery store roof. Jed, you aren't the only Baton Rouge contractor we refused to sell a rig to - there was another one there. We felt you're too close to Robert, so we said no. Sorry if that offended you but that's how we do things. There are two ways to deal with that: 1) You can suck it up and realize it wasn't personal. 2) You can badmouth us for revenge. Evidently you chose #2.

Clearly you are confusing me with someone else. Firstly, I'm not a Baton Rouge contractor, I'm a project manager and have never had, nor will have anything to do with the purchase of the close to thirty fully equipped rigs we already have. Making false allegations can easily lead to a law suit, no wonder you have so much experience in that field. If you have evidence to prove me wrong put it up here. Whoever you think I am you are wrong. Again. As usual.

Jed Said: Well said the roofing god. Roofguy if I remember right, you got yer ass handed to you a year ago by Builderr over on NRG when he exposed you for what you are by publishing the court dates and fines levied against you for your dodgy dealings, you took off running and nobody has heard from you til now When you dance with the devil, you wait for the song to stop springs to mind. Before that it was you goin on about your pilots licence, your extraordinary Chuck Norris kung fu skills, and the guns in your shop, thaty you would not hesitate to use against a likely perp.

Contributing certainly wasnt a strong point of yours so if that has now changed then why dont you put your tail between your legs and contribute.

You probably roof better than you read (at least I hope so), so let me help you with the reading part.

Nobody was "fined," nor was anyone found to have conducted "dodgy" dealings. Read the WHOLE document - NEITHER side won, it was a legal draw. The judge rescinded the contract, which means to put both parties back like they were as though the relationship/case didn't happen. The other side was ordered to return assets we gave them, and we were ordered to return assets they gave us. Now, is that really that hard to comprehend, or is the problem that it just doesn't fit your agenda?

Jed, why don't you just level with members here and tell them that you - like 5 other of my detractors here - have it in for me because I refused to sell you a rig? I think it's only fair to ask you to disclose that so that people can decide for themselves if that affects the value of your opinion.

I can understand when peoples' feeling get hurt when we tell them they can't buy a rig - it's not the normal buy/sell situation. Rarely is it because the person who wanted a rig isn't qualified to own one, although that IS the case with 2 members here. It's usually just a matter of logistics in that we don't want a rig shoved into every nook and cranny. Robert can vouch for that - I rejected a sale to his competitor 1 week after he saw Robert's new rig on a grocery store roof. Jed, you aren't the only Baton Rouge contractor we refused to sell a rig to - there was another one there. We felt you're too close to Robert, so we said no. Sorry if that offended you but that's how we do things. There are two ways to deal with that: 1) You can suck it up and realize it wasn't personal. 2) You can badmouth us for revenge. Evidently you chose #2.

I won't name other names unless they continue to trash us - suffice that the vast majority of those who've badmouthed us, became ineligible to buy a rig because one was sold nearby, and that hurt their feelings. Maybe that helps explain some of the vicious lies.

But back on topic. My intent was to explain why this group has floundered. Do you see any reps from ABC Supply posting here? Henry Company? GAF? Very few if any. Why would they subject themselves to this kind of libel from disgruntled roofers? Every company of any size has some dissatisfied customers - we're no different. When you allow those few in the minority a bullhorn to use to slander ya, why would anyone want to be part of that?

TRG Nice picture by the by. The nails are properly spaced and within the small white lines of the shingles. That takes a bit more time to do, but it is right. You should post that on "what is good enough"

Well said the roofing god. Roofguy if I remember right, you got yer ass handed to you a year ago by Builderr over on NRG when he exposed you for what you are by publishing the court dates and fines levied against you for your dodgy dealings, you took off running and nobody has heard from you 'til now "When you dance with the devil, you wait for the song to stop" springs to mind. Before that it was you goin' on about your pilots licence, your extraordinary Chuck Norris kung fu skills, and the guns in your shop, thaty you would not hesitate to use against a likely perp.

Contributing certainly was'nt a strong point of yours so if that has now changed then why don't you put your tail between your legs and contribute.

Obviously the comment wasn`t directed at people here posting,and answering topics,there`s still a load of info here--all of the other crap just makes people nuts like:the kettle,complaints about type of topics,and people who feel certain people belong here more than others--than to hear someone say I`ll be back in 6 months to check again---Really now,(expletive delete-d)

thanks for the pic advice steve,That I`ll have to work on