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I have some 4-5 years old and they are not looking good at all. Would not recomend them.

We have installed a lot of Inspire the past few years. On a job cut up job like that, the labour should be similar to shakes. If you are supplying material, allow extra for waste,a lot of the valley and hip cut offs will not work on the opposite side, as wood will. If cold, hard to cut, use cordless skil saw with plywood blade Hand nail if cold use stainless or Miami-Dade double galv nails, copper hand nails hard on fingers if cold. We are just finishing a job now, cold, having to remove old slates,lots of deck repair,so not very productive. My top guy could do about 20 bdls a day in good conditions.

Never. I just use real rocks. :laugh:

I'd be reluctant to have a customer choose a newer product like that if they were just basing it on a showroom display or seeing it online. Both you and the customer should see one that has been on awhile. The customer should be looking at whether he can tolerate the product with possible fading, curling, effloresence, blothciness,pallet lines, etc. Better he learns those things before you start. You should be looking for all those plus seeing how detectable things like layout variables are and whether blending the product onsite would be needed.

I wouldn't consider plastic an "upgrade" over good shakes. I know they cost more which would lead many to consider them an "upgrade" but I've been around almost every brand of fake slate after they've been installed for several years and am not impressed at all. They will install fast, look good at first and surely won't blow off but they rapidly discolor, curl and crack within just a few years. You don't need flexible materials to properly install a cone. Natural slate installs perfectly on any cone as long as the installer has enough skill and experience. I have a lot of wood roof customers and when they ask for upgrades I offer them harder woods such as teak, ironwood or walaba. These woods absorb less moisture and therefore last longer. These woods can still be steam bent as well. I also offer natural slate as a wood upgrade as the price of slate and wood are so close and the labor is close as well and the look is very similar. Another good upgrade from shakes is perfection or royal cedar shingles installed on open decking. Most people refuse to use open decking these days so I would suggest installing 2x2s vertically on the trusses then 1x4s horizontally properly spaced for the shingle used. It depends on you really. You'll probably make the most quick,easy money with plastic slate, hence the popularity but if you're more concerned with building a more long term reputation I'd stick with what's been proven to work. I witnessed a great company go under in early 2000 from installing several plastic slate roofs in the metro detroit area that all ended up failing. Before that he had a great reputation in slate, tile, wood and copper but he started making way more money with the plastic. He ended up closing down and I haven't heard from him in years. All the best

I am looking for advice on installing insire slate roofing. About 200 squares on a 12/12 to a 16/12 pitch with 80 corners, multiple valleys and hips. The largest open area is about 5 squares. Would like to know the labor price per square and about how many squares per day i can expect to install. four man crew. Thanks in advance for your help.

Great topic. I remember when shingles came to south Florida. The first problem was water shed. Many of the older homes had 2-3" pitch. We were very meticulous in their laying. Overlap, reveal, hand nailing, not overcrowding the joints and so on. Theirs one factor, to roofs and our weather pattern that the old guys figured out IMMIDIATELY, back water. Being an area of the country that every single job had bull, trowel and membrane, we bulled and membraned the eaves. After hurricane Andrew, prior to the county setting more stringent codes, we as roofers took it upon ourselves, (the companies and guys that made Dade County roofing) to bull and membrane rakes also. As for through the years, what performed best, it's A shooting gallery of what's and who dunnits. I don't have A preference. When that OC duration hit the market, they held it up next to the Elk. Saying that they revolutionized adhesion. I politely told them, what they've done so created A moisture trap, like another mentioned. They told me I was crazy. I told them I'd bet them my life, hand them my head before my body hit the ground, what would happen would be multi phased. The shingle would be crowded sidewise, it's gonna rain, the shingle will draw slightly, the nail divvits would pool water, then the sun would relax the shingle and seal the water from vaporizing and it would accelerate nail failure. Every one of the shoe sales guys, with their wisdom, the owner of the company and all his hoolies, they all scoffed at the roofer. I'm still waiting for heads to come to me in the mail. To top it off, OC said, and it stuck, improper nails were used. Man, where I come from, A box of nails is A box of nails. Nails, eave and valley metal, lead stacks, hoods were never A problem. Yet when they did the solid strip, it caused them to ruckus the help about metal grade. My beef with the shingle I'm laying, size. I know for A fact I'm not the only one that's slid A shingle to line and looked at it and IMMIDIATELY knew it was narrow or long, wide or skinny. Their was A time when all we layer was 3 tab in Miami. We'd not even seen the dimensional. So when you get years of practice, QC isn't an issue. The man swinging the hatchet QC'd his own work. And just tell me why in the world would A manufacturer have to strengthen the nail line? With "more fiber"? The only fiber they should be concerned with is their fiber one cereal. What kind of roofer would have blow through issues once they got their guns set up? I never did, I would have that odd one, when the compressor kicked as I would start nailing and I would get "burst". Also, if you've got A hell of A foreman, like some, when he hears the compressor kick, it becomes intuitive to listen for A gun simultaneously and if one goes off, check for A blow out. I remember when Tamko came on line. They were brittle if they rode the yard outside to long. When you carried them up and laid the out, that point where the guy toting them bounces the last step to to break their back, they don't break. I've sent back entire orders for this. I guess with the new trend of re-roofing houses every 2-3 years the shingle riding the yard is A thing of the past. Today, it's what the consumer chooses, often according to ins. Or the roofers supply choice. It's also the scrutiny of the company doing the work to get positive results. Ultimately, the shingle will last when it's installed properly, the roofer is deft in his touch and eye and he has A conscientious advisor as A super. The quality parallels another topic of the crews and how they are managed. When you apply A standard of "work for pay" and maintain A strict, not high, level of performance everyone wins. I say strict and not high because roofing is next to plumbing in discipline. 2 things that no matter where our economy goes, theirs 2 things the consumer is adamant about. Crap flowing back into their house, and being rained on. For this, I am responsible.

ktrepairs Said: every body in Dallas Fort Worth uses Atlas because they are easily damaged by hail and sunshine

The only CONtractors using Atlas are those selling "free" roofs because they are cheaper. Homeowners should know that if they don't pay their deductible in an insurance claim, there is an almost 100% probability that the CONtractor will cut corners, do a sloppy job, and not be around 2 years down the line when problems show up. And if you do find the guy and try to sue him for shoddy work, which invoice are you going to present to the court?

every body in Dallas Fort Worth uses Atlas because they are easily damaged by hail and sunshine ,which insures lots of repeat busines ? if you can remember J-M's Wodlands you are a old person J-M closed their plant in Fort Worth in the early 80's I bought them in the 70's because it took 60 fewer nails per sq because they had a 6'' exposure

egg Said: From where I come from, you are from the mid-west. What are you looking for, wheatfields?

My Dad was born & raised in Wheatfield.....Indiana

I'm from the midwest...St. Louis to be exact. We got hit with a monster hail storm at the end of April. It has been insane. I've delivered shingles to neighborhoods where six different houses had roofing crews on them and twelve others had materials stocked in the driveway. The yard signs are absolutely ridiculous. We are sending out around 1,000sq a day. The posts in this topic thread are answers to the questions that everyone is asking right now. One of the things that this brings up is insurance companies. I can't tell you how many times I have seen an insurance company specifying a 20yr shingle to go on someone's roof. There aren't any manufacturers that still manufacture 20yr shingles in this market. The only manufacturers you can get 20yr shingles from in the midwest are Tamko and OC...AND THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN 25YR SHINGLES! Seriously, OC Classics (which got discontinued in 2010) cost more than Supremes, and Tamko Glass-Seals cost more than Elites. The manufacturers still have them, but don't want to sell them, probably because of warranty issues. You tell this to an insurance agent and they think you're retarded!

From where I come from, you are from the mid-west. What are you looking for, wheatfields?

Natty, roofer Mike and firehawk. You guys should sign in and let us know where you are from. That post is just a few down on the list. I ams till looking for someone that is from the middle west.

The new sales pitch is less is more , due to better technology, the truth is that it is all about the stock holders , screw the product , just make more money for the investors. They have high paid people whose whole purpose is to find a way make it cheaper and sell it as better..

Atlas modifieds Best non-mods? Certainteed