Duration Sure-Nail Strip (cellophane)

I have read about some condensation & capillary problems w/ the old sure-nail strip. It is my belief that the cellophane strip is the problem and the fact that they re-engineered it, confirms my thought. I have preferred warranties on all of my installs and am concerned if they (O/C) will honor warranty. Granted the nails are failing, but it is the shingle engineering and not the nail causing the introduction of moisture. If the shingle was not conducive to making condensation and/or trapping it, the nails would be fine. I have always exclusively used and trusted O/C but am very concerned after reading some previous blogs.

O/C has fixed the problem w/ their latest Sure-Nail design, but, they should still be responsible for the poor engineering of their old style design. I believe this is going to continue to be a huge problem, particularly in high humidity areas like FL. Crap economy and now this!

And that is with the paint on it. The "metal is about .0115

.017 on the standard quality edge trim coil now too. I gauged Allied drip edge a few yrs. back...it was .014

Hey, it is not our imagination! The metal in the drip edge is getting thinner, the shingles are lasting shorter periods of time, and the amount of "stuff" in all of the things you buy is getting less and less. How about those 11.5 ounce cans of 1 # coffee! How about that dollar that is only worth 10 cents! The other 90% has been stolen from us, legally of course. Ain't nothing like "legal" theft!

Now that you've mentioned it...Yeah....same experiencse with pencils and the stick matches! I too, just thought I was getting old.....I thought I was delusional, thinking I use to frame several houses with the same pencil.

As a matter of fact; I can't ever recall having to actually buy a pencil in years past. The lumber delivery guys always left a few with every delivery.

And the Governor of Kansas recently proclaimed that the government should strive to do as good of a job as the private sector.

Evidently he uses an ink pen :laugh:

Egg, nothing to do with age for sure. What good is a "cheap" pencil that you can't get to sharpen or the lead falls out. I have sharpened on from a full length to a stub without ever using it because it kept falling out or breaking. In the same vein, have you noticed the wooden matches have this small dinky head on them that barely ignites before it goes out? What a joke, but they are probably 1/2 the cost of "real" matches.

OS

"Has anyone tried to sharpen a carpenters pencil lately? They are all msde over there too, and the lead keeps breaking off and sliding out before you can get a sharp point. For those of you that don't mark lines or strike them this is no big deal, but for those of us that have to build and frame and measure, it is a large PITA."

and here I was secretly afraid I was just getting clumsier with age.

Twill, I almost mentioned that article myself.

The whole thing is suspicious.

Like someone saying, "Well, the problem is expansion and contraction." (The "expansion" is over-reaching our abilities and the "contraction" is 'don't.')

Here they go saying, "... they can also trap water under certain circumstances."

So what, then. Get real. Tell me. What circumstances? Like, for instance, when the funky transition occurs right at or just below where you are supposed to put all the nails? Shingles can turn. That's one of the things they are very very good at. Going from one foot transitions to two foot transitions isn't going to make any difference.

I don't buy it.

I'd love to be there to watch them hand-sealing all the divot holes after they pull those things apart. lol (That's what they need the gooey sheet for.)

They get to sell at least one more roll for every building. What is there to wonder about?

I still can't get over Grace I&W application recomendations of I&W around protrusions and on ridges...WTH?...Utter incompetence!

But it's on a nice/"professional" brochure...So it must be right :blink: ;)

Heck O/s the last time I called Certainteed with a tech question, I had a college girl on the line.....

My point exctly. Problems Problems problems. When will they learn. Heck, we are trying to tell them here and they still won't listen. I think a manufacturer should have somepone that monitors sites such as this to learn what we know. Obviously they are not.

So they've turned to ice & water rather than fixing the original issue. Sounds like our competition!

Sending the water down the roof underneath the shingles has got to set off some red flags! Although I'm sure it will dump on top of a lower row of shingles, thats still bunk.

I agree, it won't work in the long run. Maybe if they shingle up to the break and then run the I&W over the last course and then shingle up from there. But water is still going to be getting under the shingles and that ain't good.

It won't work! The warter will still get in and it will just show up farther down the roof or even above it it is trapped enough. What a shame. I am glad that they are paying for it one time though as they can always pay for it again. LOL