Comments on the election of the donald?

You're not being racist at all tomb.I've observed that while Mexicans(well not all of them) are very sensitive to discrimination ,they are condescending and abusive toward those that are worse off ,like the Guatemalans.it turns out that the Guatemalans cross the border to enter Mexico the same way the Mexicans enter the USA and for that they're looked down on by the mexicans. But I still think that Trump was wrong to single out the Mexicans for they aren't the only undocumented immigrants in this country .Any business owner would have been sued for discrimination for saying stuff like that about Hispanic employees .He spoke in front of the whole country and was applauded ..

Yeah, I feel it. On the other hand I remember a three-month stint I put in as a GS3 file clerk for Social Security graveyard shift and having to work a second four-hour job in the daytime just to pay my bills when I was nineteen. Gotta tell ya, my grievance list doesn't stop where you did. Firemen scamming the system by running all their accumulated sick leave and comp time through the last year and retiring on a ridiculous salary based on the final year (recently made illegal here), CHP officers routinely checking out at the end of their careers with disability pensions for bad backs, everyone associated in any way with the medical profession rolling in loot, insurance companies and their employees raking it in because of what they call "the golden rule" (He who has the gold makes the rules,) attorneys and judges. And, yes, those upper-level execs in the financial industry, not to mention professional athletes and multi-national execs, and even overpaid school administrators in the bargain.

The problem with capitalism is that except for the voluntary efforts of individuals it only values ROI and ROA without regard for moral consequences (opportunism) and the problem with true communism or what TomB refers to as " PC lib-tards" (not quite the same thing as true communism) is they only value free public benefits without regard to how much effort it actually takes to provide for basic needs by producing tangible products. (opportunism)

Just so you know where I stand with all that I'll say this: I can be and I choose to be tough when I need to, but I truly pray that nothing will ever seduce me into becoming vengeful, scornful, mean-spirited, alt-right, conspiracy theory-driven, or communist. And I'll throw this in for good measure: I've known a lot of middle-of-the-road-tards as well.

Egg, Government jobs pay way more than what we can make in the private sector, especially in the higher up jobs, and they are not responsible for what they do. They can and do screw things up for all of us that are actually producing tangible things, and they get rewarded for it. On the other hand, When we do produce, we are blamed for it, punished and then criticized for not making or doing more. The only thing better as it were would be working for the big investment banks. They pay millions to their employees, and everything they make is stolen from us. How is that fair? I say we should take most of the banks that are too big to fail and tow them and their people about 200 miles east of New York.

Heading off-topic.....Hey, I don't put blame on the illegals - They're only doing what would be expected of most any people in like circumstances/opportunity(s).

At the risk if being called a racist - My own experiences have taught me that one doesn't typically find "Mexicans" begging for money - They're culture/pride doesn't much allow for that behavior - However, they are opportunists in the highest sense - they will exploit, (to put it mildly), without hesitation their own as well as others and they most definitely take advantage of our social services - Having the system figured out as well as the PC/left doling it out to them.

I've got some complicated beliefs but in deference to TomB I won't blather. But it's worth mentioning that I've never seen a Mexican panhandling and I've never seen a white boy chip in with seven or eight other buddies to rent a two-room apartment while they all work six tens at whatever they can get. I used to work six tens, sometimes more. My son works six tens, if not more. Counting family duties and gainful employment combined, my two daughters beat both of us.

John you said, " Triple the wages and you can make all the mistakes you want." You just lost me there. Can you clarify?

btw, that was a good post Alba.

Yes, the "drop in wages" in the private sector is one of the symptoms. "Prevailing wages" (Gov't jobs), have kept-up, i.e., depending on locale', a roofers' salary is aprx. $104,000/yr., whereas in the private sector it's more like $50,000/yr. A huge spread as compared to 30yrs ago.....

What drove off the American workers is the drop in wages. If everything was equal, a good "roofer" should be making about $65,000.00 a year right now. since the wages have been driven down to less than half that, who can blame them? Government is where it is at now. Triple the wages and you can make all the mistakes you want. They don't produce anything and are not responsible. What a program.

Alba; I have a bit different experience/take on the labor pool status. This could be expanded-on easily, but for the sake of brevity & sparing common knowledge, (so-to-speak), - I'll be short; I'll leave the blather to others.

Seems over the past three decades, through not-so-much the fault of exploitative employers hiring illegals, but our gov'ts' lack of enforcing laws, we ran-off the American worker, replacing them with the opportunistic illegal worker.

Come circa 08'; Wages had been stagnated/reversed 20yrs, things slowed down, whereby the illegals began returning home. The illegals, (IMO), where/are opportunists themselves - The misunderstood fact is that they are/where here to acquire $ - Not necessarily to assimilate as US citizens.

However, that is changing I believe, as the children of these illegals seem to want to assimilate more-so. But, they are products of the PC/libtard ed. syst. as well.

The predominant left/PC educational/media environment convinced our youth working with your hands was somehow menial & significant. So here we sit, a nation full of idiot/whiners.

Hopefully Trump will initiate real change & break the cycle.

Alba, I agree wages and demand for workers have probably gone up. It seems like pricing pressure has finally eased the last 2 years in my area, finally.

I've read that Obama has deported more illegals than any RepublicanT ever did. IDK whether to believe that one....But I do think there has been a shift somewhere.

Of course with the OSHA Tax, taxes & ObamaCare, and the usual increases in red tape, regulations and the employee/ government/ lawyer ownership of my business, it all balances out..... :angry: :angry:

Roofers of all the people should have been able to discern some of his lies, like the illegal immigration. I can't attest for the whole industry and the whole country, but from what I've seen through 4-5 companies that I've been involved with in the last 10 years , the Mexicans have already left in droves the commercial roofing and the state of Alabama, long before Mr. trump promised to build a border wall. The companies have been using E verify system and it has been impossible or very risky for them to hire people unauthorized to work in the USA. There has been a labor shortage ever since .The starting wage has jumped to $15 an hour and the only professional requirement is to have a pulse ,wake up in the morning and come to work .Many Americans can't do even that, and they complain how the Mexicans are taking their jobs .it's not like 20 Americans applied for a roofing job and the employer picked a cheaper Mexican.my company has a :refer a friend program.I get $800 if a can refer a friend who can stick around for 3 months and my friend gets $200 sign in bonus.I tried to get my unemployed white neighbor to apply for a job.He stated that :he has worked hard all his life ,he has paid his dues and is ready to take it easy for the rest of his life .he's 28 years old .

Twill - re; Trump & his alleged off-color/exploitative R/E development issues - Considering the abundance of his probable dealings, I would expect far-far more disgruntled souls - He must be a pretty fair guy. The R/E development biz is a rough scene - full of ruthless types - Appears he's managed to trudge through and be very successful.

Ok, then. That would not have been in this country. Did they put shoes on horses in the old country? If they did, and they wanted to make them special, would they have been Cadillac gold shoes or lemon yellow shoes? (rotfl)

I think he got a roofer in NY. Did you hear that his great grandfather sold someone a mule with only three shoes?

One of several possible "take-away's" from that....

Even The Donald is afraid of roofers.