Comments on the election of the donald?

I voted for the winner, not so much because I supported him, cause I really don't know what he is going to do, but because I could not vote for a lying treasonous murderer. If he is serious, he will have her indicted the day after he is inaugurated. If he does that, I will start to believe him.

Guns. Our freedom was won by them. Our freedom is guaranteed by them.

Those confused about that do not alter the actions of those not.

Not Close and no cigar Tim. Adios Amigo!

Gosh,I started this about 2 months ago. The more guns the better we are. As shown in Europe, they also have to regulate trucks and knives and drugs. It seems that drugs kill more people that guns. Quite a few people are killed in auto accidents to. Are they really "accidents?" Surely the Russians must have something to do with all of those deaths. Why aren't the Black Lives Matter people protesting all of the deaths in car accidents? Why aren't the Black Lives Matter people protesting the figure of 90% of the blacks that are killed are killed by other blacks? Maybe black lives that are ended by other blacks don't count. I just read an article about the Philippines government. they d ware on drugs and drug users and pushers. Shoot them all on sight! There are a lot of "former" drug users and dealers in the Philippines. Maybe we should start the same kind of action against the layers and lying politicians in the U. S. Wait a minute, that is the same group! Have I missed insulting anyone?

The beauty of it all, Alba and Twill, is that nobody needs you to grasp the importance of 2A and it's "shall not be infringed" verbiage. You will be subject to it whether you get it or whether you don't. It will forever exist simply because enough people do get it. In that I find a degree of comfort.

And please, now play into the anti-gun stereotype by telling me all about what shall not be infringed meant to our framers, and muskets and such.

Malone Labe.

#1) "people like you" Please don't talk to me like my retarded brother (who lives in Texas). Actually I take part of that back ....my brother lives in his head. His body is Texas

#2) "Don't assume that everyone thinks like you think." Ah, my achilles heel. You found it.

Um right Tim. Am I serious???? Is that the joke of the day?

Americans fully understood the power of the USSR as an adversary after ww2 . Iran, Iraq and even our "allies" (here comes another joke of the day!) Saudi Arabia are a walk in the park comparatively. Hell we had to give them the weapons and money in the first place!

The Russians beat Hitler without a lot of support from us. Stalin was begging for help for over four years.....what did the Allies before D Day, while Russia was mercilessly attacked? Invaded North Africa.

You might look up Operation Barbarossa. Siege of Stalingrad (Leningrad?) Whatever it was called then.

The entry of Russia in the war against japan brought about the Japanese surrender.the japs were afraid that if invaded by the Russians they'd hang their emperor whom they regarded as divine. Anyway we were talking about the recklessness of having the civilian population heavily armed. As attested by the high rate of the deaths by gun fire among the law enforcement and civilians advocating gun ownership is plain insanity.

twill59 Said:

Roofguy Said:

Alba Said: From what I see so far the Americans have been using their guns to kill themselves and others and not to defend freedom and liberty which are in the eye of beholder , highly subjective concepts that mean different things to different people.

Well you may have forgotten how those pesky Americans with guns saved the free world in WWII.

Of course youre free to think any way you want in your country. Just dont propose that your countrys way of thinking about it should be adopted by us.

You might want to read your WW2 history on that one Tim. Russia did far more than us. They suffered more, they re-gained more. They fought Germany MUCH LONGER and harder than we could even begin to think about.

Are you serious????? Russia dropped the 2 nukes that ended the war? I don't think so. Russia still wouldn't have nukes if a spy hadn't told them how to build them.

It doesn't matter who fights more, and loses more, suffered more. What matters is whose actions ended the war. The biggest role was played by by a gal named Enola Gay and her boyfriend Paul Tibbets.

Roofguy Said:

Alba Said: From what I see so far the Americans have been using their guns to kill themselves and others and not to defend freedom and liberty which are in the eye of beholder , highly subjective concepts that mean different things to different people.

Well you may have forgotten how those pesky Americans with guns saved the free world in WWII.

Of course youre free to think any way you want in your country. Just dont propose that your countrys way of thinking about it should be adopted by us.

You might want to read your WW2 history on that one Tim. Russia did far more than us. They suffered more, they re-gained more. They fought Germany MUCH LONGER and harder than we could even begin to think about.

Alba Said: From what I see so far the Americans have been using their guns to kill themselves and others and not to defend freedom and liberty which are in the eye of beholder , highly subjective concepts that mean different things to different people.

Well you may have forgotten how those pesky Americans with guns saved the free world in WWII.

Of course you're free to think any way you want in your country. Just don't propose that your country's way of thinking about it should be adopted by us.

LaVoy Finicum was a 3%er.

From what I see so far the Americans have been using their guns to kill themselves and others and not to defend freedom and liberty which are in the eye of beholder , highly subjective concepts that mean different things to different people.

twill59 Said: Lastly, I think you miss an important part of the whole gun culture. The only reason that mainland U.S. was not invaded by the Japs in WWII was Admiral Yamamotos admonition that in America there is a gun behind every blade of grass. Its a deterrent.

How did I miss that? Ive been saying that for my whole life....

Which is why I question the whole Offense Industry encamped in Wash DC ...and my wallet :laugh:

The point is that - even if only 3% of Americans would be willing to resist gun confiscation efforts - that 3% is doing more to do to prevent the attempt than the 97% who sit back and complain about the 3% being Rambo wannabes.

And from a purely practical standpoint, the gun community is misunderstood. Few "hobbies" make sense from a financial standpoint. If purchased wisely, guns and ammo are just like money in a savings account, except that they draw a lot more interest. In 3 weeks I'll go to Vegas for SHOT Show, the largest gun gathering in the world - and I'll write off the trip as a business expense. :-)

"Lastly, I think you miss an important part of the whole "gun culture." The only reason that mainland U.S. was not invaded by the Japs in WWII was Admiral Yamamoto's admonition that in America "there is a gun behind every blade of grass." It's a deterrent. "

How did I miss that? I've been saying that for my whole life....

Which is why I question the whole Offense Industry encamped in Wash DC ...and my wallet :laugh:

twill59 Said: RG: I respect your beliefs and opinions. I believe, and hope, that in the end , it is the human spirit, rather than the human condition that pulls through.

However, for 90% of the 2A gun nuts out there , when the military comes to get your guns, 80-90% of you will bow down and BEG : Dont shoot me! Please GOD, take my gun just please dont shoot! AND they will call it some simplistic form of Patriotism when they surrender.

No dis respect intended, its all cool with me, but ugly nasty, consumerism and target practice will not trump the will/ want to survive, or simply live.

And yes the Donald is nothing but a rich, nasty little pussy....Ill leave it at that. I hope to be proven wrong by him. In the meantime, he is sparking a badly needed conversation that this country needs to have. imho.

I find value in everything. Does not cost a dime to think

80-90% would bow down and beg? Wrong! 97% would. That is the concept of "III Percenters (3 percenters)." Oath keepers is a similar group, but specifically made up of present/former military members, cops, first responders. And that is the part you miss - that the very people you want to think would come to disarm Americans, have sworn not to.

Military members also took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND domestic. 2A and the BOA are part of that oath. I have been around a bunch of them during these discussions at gun ranges, tactical training course, etc. and I can tell you that in excess of 95% of them would refuse any order to disarm Americans. They tried it on a tiny scale during Katrina and it failed miserably.

So yes, people like you would hand over guns. Your very post pretty much stated as much. But if you think there are not patriots who would give their life to defend freedom and our Constitution, you need to go ask for a refund from your history teachers in school, because this nation's history is rife with examples of exactly that. From our very beginning.

Lastly, I think you miss an important part of the whole "gun culture." The only reason that mainland U.S. was not invaded by the Japs in WWII was Admiral Yamamoto's admonition that in America "there is a gun behind every blade of grass." It's a deterrent. 300 million guns in the U.S. is a deterrent too future U.S. leaders who may have visions of grandeur. Take away our guns and that deterrent goes with them.

Lastly Part II, people confuse what we "gun nuts" are all about. As much as anything, it is to us what golf is to others - it's a hobby. Granted, a more useful one. I didn't study and teach the martial arts for 13 years because I thought one day I would need that skill set to defend myself or my family. I did it because I enjoyed the challenge - the fact that the skill set was more useful than golf or collecting toy train sets was just a side-benefit. Same goes for guns and gun training, which has taken the place of karate for me since I can't do that anymore. I have trained with a former Navy SEAL for 4 years now. Last year I trained with SEAL Team 6 member Craig Sawman Sawyer in Dallas. Two weeks ago I trained with a former Tier 1 operator in a "Lo Light No Light" nighttime handgun class which started at 8pm when it was 27 degrees out, and finished at midnight when it was much colder. It was miserably cold - I enjoyed the challenge - I enjoy knowing that most guys my age (or any age) won't push themselves like that. I didn't do it because I think the Feds are going to come to take my guns some day.

Don't assume that everyone thinks like you think.

III%: What is a Threeper? What is an Oathkeeper?

During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King’s tyranny never amounted to more than III% of the colonists. Three percenters today, for the most part, identify with this 3% because they were true patriots fighting for the freedoms the nation we love and honor was founded on. Three percenters intend to maintain their God-given natural rights to liberty and property. History itself, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed citizens to change the world. Indeed, it has never been done otherwise.

Three Percenter Oath Keeper A Threepercenter can be anyone, while an Oathkeeper is active duty Law Enforcement or Military Many of us three percenters swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and the following:

III% Patriot Threeper

We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.” We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.