Chalk Happy Adjuster

This is a 2 story 6/12 slope roof. 3 stories on the south triangle. If its so "unsafe" then why was he crawling all over the roof chalking the crap out of it and what is S-H=O, BT=F and W=15? :blink:

You'd have to know the whole story OS. I'm supposed to be retired from replacing any roofs and in the repair business. This one caught me at a VERY slow time. 6 months went by since the last whole roof and I sold my dump trailer a couple months ago.

Turned out to be the boogie man anyways. Another guy joined us and we were able to hit the dumpster fine where it sits. lol

Picked up a nice little chimney flashing job from the neighbor next door already too. The stormers put her roof on for "what insurance paid" less than 2 years ago but they did not change the flashing. Of course they are in Kalamazoo now and its leaking like geyser falls.

We use a dump trailer. I can move it any where I want to. much better.

Spent a good bit of time on preparation and finally getting started today.

Already, the helper backed out so it's just me and one other roofer. :laugh:

I ordered a dumpster for the job the other day and specified that it be placed SIX feet from the house. When I drove by there yesterday it was sitting there TWELVE feet from the house. I'm not sure if we can hit the target or not. May have to call them to come move it closer. :woohoo:

I don't miss this shiat! :blink:

That's the way their computer program works.You measure the base area and multiply it by the slope factor. The reason sometimes the adjusters come short 3-4 squares per roof is that they put the pitch finder on the top of the shingle,it shows a smaller slope and the factor is lower. to get a more accurate reading the pitch finder should be set on a rafter or on the gable fascia.

Vaa, when I'm working alone i don't HAVE to use EITHER. But on this job I plan to use one other roofer and one helper so we will have to tie off.

It's not a steep roof. The main reason the adjuster wrote "Unsafe" on this roof was because the old shingles are pretty sandy due to their age AND he's a scaredy cat. But when we start tearing it down from the ridge going downward, it should not be slick like that anymore. I will also have a strong blower up there keeping the grit cleaned off the roof as we go and walkboards across the bottoms all the way around just in case.

I will only have two guys to keep safe so that will be MUCH easier than trying to watch out for 7 or 8 other guys and keep myself up there at the same time.

Also getting the material roof topped all the way up to the ridge so no walking from the bottom of the roof to the ridge with the bundles. That is safer as well.

Work SMARTER not HARDER will be the motto.

Mike, Are these rules actually enforced? Over here it is hit and miss. Meaning that the contractor that plays by the rules is not able to compete. The only way to compete with the low-ballers is to sub to a crew of illegals.

Mike, Are these regulations actually enforced? Over here they are hit and miss. Mostly ignored and so those who try to play by the rules cannot compete.

Mike it's hard to pay $3k add'l for a roof that might last 10 yrs. Not Willie's (or MINE) of course, but all the consumer here is looking for, is something to make it through to the next hailstorm..........even if it does land 20 miles away :laugh: Ins don't care. They know plenty of people who can make any old claim stick

On a permanent roof, of course, the $3k is negligible. But here in the land of bottomless landfills, and deep pockets, it ain't a concern

$100 for the safety harness Mike.

And a few walk boards. Especially at the spot where the trash will be thrown off.

That should just about do it on this one. ;)

I hear ya!

After this one, I still don't plan to seek after replacements for the exact reasons you mention.

If I had several repairs on the books, I would have turned down the invitation to bid altogether. :dry:

Trick is finding the right customer as you said Willie. Most, I'd say 2/3 are sold on price/ free roof only, nowadays. If you cannot lie, then you are a liar in their book.

About 50% of the other 1/3 will be bamboozled by price even tho it was not their main concern as at least 8 out 10 "Roofers" they call will be clueless. I wonder how many of these just give up, hold their nose and sign with one of the 8?

Of the 1/6 left, you got a good chance there. All you got to do, is keep your crew busy and paid while these calls trickle in B)

Also, the clients told me why they chose me to do the roof over the two "restoration" companies.

Those two played the numbers game and did a quick estimate and run routine. I took a lot of pics on the tablet, went in and sat at the kitchen table with the husband, went over all the pics with explanations for each and showed other pics from previous jobs showing and explaining the proper way to do each thing and went through the whole sales process.

Here's the funny part. Originally we were all called out to give a repair quote which is what I did the first time. Naturally, the two restoration guys went for the whole roof. The clients said that they liked my presentation and called me back out to do a replacement quote at which time I met with the wife, went back to the exact same chair at the kitchen table and went over the whole thing again with her.

I know it has become the exception rather than the norm but a good roofer/contractor/salesman CAN still out perform these storm types with the right clients involved.

Should I call these two Bozo's and thank them for the job? After all, they got me the WHOLE roof at MY price instead of just a repair. :ohmy:

That is some funny stuff guys. Almost rolled out of my chair laughing. :laugh:

Since my last post, I spoke with the adjuster and informed him that:

He underbid by 4 sq. AND

There were no line items for: 2-stories chimney flashing 5 sheets of plywood

Before we hung up, he said "don't worry about calling the client, I will do it right now and let her know that an additional check will be coming in the mail".

Went after ventilation too but he denied that one. However, i WILL be properly ventilating the home.

PS: I bid the job at $75 per sq. OVER what insurance is paying in my area. ;)

:laugh: woody

I hear ya Willie. Even I have to stop ranting and raving and go to work once in a while!

You're close on your interpretation, Seenitall. But it is code for other adjusters. You gotta remember they're all in the same motel-dweller, out-of-a-suitcase fraternity. So they leave these codes to tell each other each town's potential. The top line means No Ho's for $0. The second line is the scorecard of the adjuster there, in this case Bought To F Women, 11.

Lots of variety in that town for an adjuster with a full wallet. If you ever meet with an adjuster and he has written BTFM, I would let him go up the ladder before you do.