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http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/is-obama-a-marxist/ Is Obama a Marxist? i3 Votes

No. That is the short answer to the question. Whenever a politician deeply angers the American right wing, I start to really like that particular politician. They must be doing something right. Plenty of Glenn Beck addicts, and right winged Americans who seemingly have no idea what Marxism actually is, keep throwing the word MARXIST at Obama. I take great offence at this, because I quite like Marx. I also quite like Che Guevara. In fact, I like anyone who opposes American imperialism. It always makes me smile. I quite like Marxism, I quite like Bakunin too. And Obama is quite the opposite. And here’s why.

He isn’t forcing business to meet production quotas. Those same businesses that aren’t forced to meet production quotas are also not run by the workers. He has never called for a mass workers revolution. Nor are the above three points ever going to happen. Left wing, does not mean Marxist. Government interference in some aspects of the economy, are not Marxist. The World is not as black and white as the right wing likes to make out. The choice isn’t Reagan, or Marx. A Marxist would not put ex-bankers in his Treasury. Actually, A Marxist wouldn’t have a treasury, because a Marxist wouldn’t be in power, because power wouldn’t exist. Regulation on amoral industry to stop it becoming immoral industry, is not Marxist. Keynes was not a Marxist. Safety nets like Social Security, are not Marxist. There is no democratic control of the means of production. Wages exist. Your State and National borders exist. Government programs paid for by taxpayers are not Marxist because A) Money would be abolished under true Marxism, and B) Government wouldn’t exist under true Marxism, because Marxism is pretty close to what Bakunin and Kroptkin advocated. Being black, and friends with Muslims, does not make him a Marxist terrorist who hates White people. Nor does it make it so, if Glenn Beck says it. Obama is President. Head of a Government. A Nation State. The very concept of a President, Government and State is anti-Marxist. In fact, any kind of government regulation set by the State from Minimum wage to Medicare, runs contrary to Marxism, because it legitimises the State. Trying to reach out to Muslim nations as opposed to bombing them back to the stone age, and then referring to the slaughter as “liberation”, does not make him a Marxist, nor a terrorist sympathiser. No industry is Nationalised (unless you count the police force and fire department as industries, by most Right Winged Americans tend to over look those). And before you say it, Healthcare in the U.S is not Nationalised. Ask your local supermarket chain if they’re making a profit. If they are, then Marxism has not come to America. Being Atheist, does not make one a Marxist. (Obama’s religious beliefs are irrelevant). Obama has never tried to suggest that private property be abolished, that division caused by the free flow of capital is the root of all evil, and all means of productions be taken over by a workers revolution. Until he does, he in no way can be considered Marxist. The Founding Fathers were neither Socialist nor neoliberalist proponents, because they did not know what Socialism and Neoliberalism were. Are you a proponent or exponent of Chrositographicness? You’re neither, because you don’t know what it is, neither do I, I just made it up. Similarly, the words Neoliberalism and Socialism would have made no sense to the Founders. Stop trying to manipulate their words to suit your agenda. Higher taxes on the rich, does not mean Marxism. In fact, Marx never mentions the concept. Just because Obama hung around with members of Socialist and Communist parties in his college days, does not mean he wishes to turn America into the USSA. It’s like saying, he was friends with a few posh British people, and so that clearly means he wishes to revoke independence and become a colony of the British again. A society that uses welfare to further perpetuate the division between employer and employee, is not Marxist. Obama is further to the right than Britain’s Liberal Democrats, who are centre-left. He is further right than the Swedes. Both the Lib Dems and the Swedes are not Marxists. The entire World other than crazed right winged Americans understand this. In fact, Swedish healthcare, EVIL MARXIST healthcare, ranks close to the top of the World rankings. America’s system, well, let’s just say it’s fucking appalling. Swedish education, including higher education is free for all, and they still have a higher rate of social mobility than the U.S. EVIL MARXISTS!!! George Orwell’s 1984 does not represent a Marxist style of government. It is an Authoritarian government, Stalinist, if you will. This is not Marxist. You do not have a telescreen in your house. You do not have a number assigned to you by the single ruling party. You do not have to work changing history for the government owned media, and your kids do not report you to the thoughtpolice who then do not go on to torture you into submission. Therefore, stop using the phrase “big brother society”, your scare tactics wont work. Yes, certain rights like wire tapping are government intrusion into your freedom, and yes it’s wrong, as is spending a fortune on illegal wars. Where was all this outrage when Bush was waging his war on the American people? Illegal war resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents = good, healthcare for those less fortunate in life = bad? Really? If that’s the case…… if that’s what Americans truly believe……… then fuck America Obama is not, never has been, and never will be a Marxist.

Alba Said: so what makes Obama a marxist ?

Listen to what his philosophy is. Hear his words. Watch his actions. Study his history.

You can't come to any other conclusion.

so what makes Obama a marxist ?

jimAKAblue Said:

Patty Cakes Said: Jim we have the resources, no one wants muck in the back yard. Quit bitchin we are our own problem. PC

The Marxists like that people like you will take the blame.

I refuse to be blamed for this mess. Ive been fighting taxation and regulation since 1979 when I made my first call to talk radio railing against too high taxes. Back then, my graduated tax form stopped at 90% for those making over 100k.

This country is in grave danger and its not because of the citizenry; its because of the bureaucrats and politicians.

Oh but it is because of the citizenry. The whole middle east is in uproar right now due to the "bureucrats and politicians", yet us in the "free" world remain silent whilst we continue to get shafted.

Alba, remember the age group I'm in, grew up with Carl Marx. You made me laugh. :laugh:

Jim, I'm one of those people, you made me laugh too. :laugh: PC

Alba Said: The Marxists like that people like you will take the blame.

I take it youve studied thousands of pages of boring complicated analysis of Carl Marx after those long grueling hours of roofing since youre able to identify the marxists.

Yes; look in the White House. Then look at the people who put them there.

The Marxists like that people like you will take the blame. "

I take it you've studied thousands of pages of boring complicated analysis of Carl Marx after those long grueling hours of roofing since you're able to identify "the marxists".

Jim I am far from a Marxist, we have the resources , why don't we use them DAMN This BS of war over what? Does anyone even remember? It just goes on and on. :angry: PC

Both political parties have continued for years to plunder the citizens. The system is broken and there is no real hope that anyone can actually fix it. The country appears to be split down the middle which only amplifies the lack of a solution.

Stayed tuned for the next exiting event in the continuing saga of the USA going down in flames. How long can a house of cards stand in a hurricane? :(

Patty Cakes Said: Jim we have the resources, no one wants muck in the back yard. Quit bitchin we are our own problem. PC

The Marxists like that people like you will take the blame.

I refuse to be blamed for this mess. I've been fighting taxation and regulation since 1979 when I made my first call to talk radio railing against too high taxes. Back then, my graduated tax form stopped at 90% for those making over 100k.

This country is in grave danger and it's not because of the citizenry; it's because of the bureaucrats and politicians.

Jim we have the resources, no one wants muck in the back yard. Quit bitchin' we are our own problem. PC

We need to stop blowing money on senseless wars.What was the purpose of spending almost one trillion dollars of money borrowed from china on Iraq war?

The DONALD made same valid points in his TV interviews. I know that the media obsolved Obama on the birth certificate issue - but, was he ever forthcoming w/ the proof. How hard is it, to go up to the local authorities and get a copy of the certificate. Insofar as DONALD - he is too much of an egotist, to be considered. I wonder how many of the numerous sub-contractors he employed, would vote for him; particularly the ones who may have been stiffed. I just hope, that if he is nominated, that it doesn t fracture the GOP, giving the dems a free ride for another 4 years of oblivion.

Noone is putting their hat into the ring. It is still early. Thank God. Next couple of months will tell the tale. All hell will break loose. We will be bombarded, everyone is setting up camp, testing the waters.

Why would anyone want to be President?

Raise the taxes, keep the important programs, get rid of the junk and quit the PORK chit. JMO PC

Patty, there are dozens of entrenched, mediocre, scared republicans available for oh12. None of them have the balls to speak out and challenge the status quo, which includes the current crop of Boehner type "leaders". They didn't have the balls to do ANYTHING about the oh11 budget which the Dems fell asleep on.

All this pussyfooting around has left our country on the brink of financial ruin and there's no end in site. The pubs, absolutely, should have forced the Dems to shut down the government. They had already passed a house measure guaranteeing that the troops would get paid. They had Obama and his socialist spenders by the short hairs and Boehner let them out of the box with his lame "we're only 1/2 of 1/3rd blah, blah, blah." He might have well just said "I'm a wimp and I lead a wimp party and we'll be on our knees again in oh12".

There is a lot more brooming to be done in our government and I hope they run most of both parties out again in oh12.

I'll take a Ron Paul, Mitch Daniels and I'd even take a Michelle Bachman. There isn't another candidate that I would support. Maybe if I learn a bit more, I might support a Walker or the Jersey guy, etc. So far, from all that I've heard from potential candidates, Trump is the one saying things that ring true to me. We need to be stronger in our dealings with the rest of the world. We can stop being their doormat anytime now. We don't need to be supporting programs like the United Nations when all it does is waste our money and stop world progress. We need our handcuffs off to deal with the real issues of the 21st century.

It's also time to start drilling EVERYWHERE. Stop all the nonsense about the EPA. The bureaucrats have mucked up everything and now you need a permit to FART!

It's time to stop the insanity.

One other candidate comes to mind: Michael Savage. His only weakness is is religous blatherings.