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Tin Man Said: quote/]copperman Said: As you all know I moved to Ohio. I went to work for a co. and this is the way the do wood shake flashings. They put it under the the shingles even with the split felt. I tried to explain that the flashing needs to go on top but It is falling on death ears. There argument is that he grace is under it all. What would most guys do if they never made that stuff. I remember the good old days when you had to rely on your flashing skills to keep it dry. Dang I never even had leaks without it.

It would seem that the industry has made enormous allowances for the lack of the abilities of todays roofing mechanic.

The water is still getting under and being trapped in larger quantities somewhere. It doesnt make any sense and I doubt that it would pass an IBC inspection.

quote/]copperman Said: As you all know I moved to Ohio. I went to work for a co. and this is the way the do wood shake flashings. They put it under the the shingles even with the split felt. I tried to explain that the flashing needs to go on top but It is falling on death ears. There argument is that he grace is under it all. What would most guys do if they never made that stuff. I remember the good old days when you had to rely on your flashing skills to keep it dry. Dang I never even had leaks without it.

It would seem that the industry has made enormous allowances for the lack of the abilities of today's roofing mechanic.

The top flashing should be under the top shake not the bottom shake. One step flashing per course. We use 8 x 14 step flashings. ---Just finished a 39 sq CCA treated heavy shake job. The shakes come from a broker on the Canadian border who cherry picks the Canadian mills. I have been buying from him for 15 years. We never use any shakes from the local suppliers. I am interested in the nicest shakes on the market. The local suppliers are interested in making a profit. ---The job we just finished had "exposed overhangs." That is, skip sheathing on the overhangs as well as the house. Thus, you do not put shake felt on the overhangs so that from the ground you look up and see shakes not black tar paper. It is a bit slow but I've done them before. The main thing is to make sure your fasteners don't poke through and mark up the nice painted overhangs. Of course you have to measure from the gutter to the start of the shake liner to make sure your courses are even. ---This job took 39 Sq of shake and 27 rolls of felt. That works out to 1,200 sq feet of overhang on the house. That is a lot of overhang that all had to be done carefully. ---Fortunately my former employee was out of work and could come and help us with the job. With just 2 of us and tearing off heavy shakes that wouldn't roll we would have been working some long hours. However, with 3 of us we had all the tearoff done in 2 fairly easy days. Lanny

copperman Said: [img width=600 /]http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab142/coppermanandson/0615110904.jpg[/img]

No air gap between the wood and the sidewall. The wood never drys out with airspace.

If you look closely you will see that the flashing is not on top of the wood shake it's under it. without the grace it would leek for sure. Yes you flash wood shakes just like any other roof.

And just like when doing shingles, the step is marked for the thickness of the roof piece and fitted at the corners leaving a water channel.

Here, you can see how hte pan sits right on the slate and the flashing eliminating any hole.

"I don't do wood roofs.....but would you guys normally install the step flashing as you go like normal shingles? If so....don't that leave a gap between each piece the thickness of the wood shingle? Help me out...you have a picture of the proper method?"

The gap doesn't matter. The steps are 10"-16" long, depending on circumstance, weaved between the roof pieces.

The flashings sucks,I even know that.

Anyway, just curious, since you are from PA and now in OHIO , who are you rooting for in the BIG 33. For those that don't know this is an annual football game between the states with the top highschool players. Many of the NFL players today played here in PA. Fess up Copperman. Playing this Saturday. Might be worth watching since we might not have an NFL this year. Buttheads. PC

I am impressed they pay for Grace and actually use a good step flashing instead of the cheap aluminum stuff most use. The only thing I can see I would do is put another 8" strip of Grace over the top of the step flashing.

I don't do wood roofs.....but would you guys normally install the step flashing as you go like normal shingles? If so....don't that leave a gap between each piece the thickness of the wood shingle? Help me out...you have a picture of the proper method?

Speed reading, maybe. Speed comprehension, I'm slow. It took me reading your response 3 times before I knew that I resembled that remark.

Assuming there's siding going there, if it was against the shake, what's that, 1" of lap? They sure can't have the siding 1-1/2" to 2" above the shake and get any lap.

As you all know I moved to Ohio. I went to work for a co. and this is the way the do wood shake flashing's. They put it under the the shingles even with the split felt. I tried to explain that the flashing needs to go on top but It is falling on death ears. There argument is that he grace is under it all. What would most guys do if they never made that stuff. I remember the good old days when you had to rely on your flashing skills to keep it dry. Dang I never even had leaks without it.

Since they installed the grace, they figured they could just ignore the way the water runs?

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