Tile job I am looking at

Someone screwed this up the last time it was repaired. Somehow, the details are supposed to take care of themselves. It has to be redone, and will be quite a job. Lots of paperwork too. Should I bid it? We will see.

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OS we did a job on the Carlisle Army War College dealing with the Army Core of Engineers. Talk about sticklers for detail. Our submittals were like encyclopedias. Had to have MSDS sheets for everything with the exception of toilet paper. Drove me nuts. The paperwork was endless. They were on the roof with my boys, they bitched constantly, both my boys & COE. We were all happy when the job was done. This was after 9/11 so all vehicles had to go through inspection before going on base. It was a nice rubber job but a royal PIA...PC

Yeah, federal money so it is all prevailing wage. As you say, tons of paper work, certified payrolls and if you make a mistake, it takes weeks to straighten it out. They have a lawyer that just looks at the payrolls. We work for a union leasing company, so everything is computerized, and we just have to transfer it to their forms. I will send the certified ones to them with their forms if I do it.

As you know, keeping up with the paper is almost a full time job for one person. Add in all of the submitals and the change orders that are sure to crop up, and it is at least a full time job for one person. I have just the person for that work if it comes to that. She used to work in a bigger office doing just that, and is quite anal about the details unlike me. She would be well worth having on the job to keep everything straight for them. You just have to make sure and add it all in in your schedule of values before you start.

Bonding is going to be a hassle too. Oh the joys of working on the bigger projects. I hate to walk away from one like this when it is relatively close and there is not too much else going on. It would be good to have a guaranteed 3-4 months of work for the summer.

This just came to mind, I worked on Bedford St. directly across from us is a Lutheran Church, old church, nice church, steeples, bell tower, the kind they don't build anymore. They did continouis patch work. Finally this year they are going all out. Total roof has been done, working on the steeple and bell tower, equipment has been blocking the street for months (right in town). I can see the difference, others won't. I love my education about roofing. You guys are great, if noone else appreciates you at least you know I do. :laugh: PC

Frank doesn't work naked, he relaxes naked. OS cha ching cha ching, in my vision that building deserves a wonderful makeover . I have seen some of your projects over the years and you are quite capable of the magnitude of this job. It is a shame that whomever did the patch up job on this project didn't give it the respect it needed. I guess they knew noone was going up on the roof to check the work. As you know we are not all roof monkeys (no disrespect to anyone, don't give me crap)I'm glad you are thinking copper, don't worry about OSHA, you work right, I know that. Work it up, be fair to yourself, prevailing wage, May I ask why prevailing wage? State? Federal?

I personally hated prevailing wage jobs, the paperwork, because I had to do it, it sucked. The payments were slow, some of ours took 60/90 days but in the mean time your paying out the money without it coming in. Keep that in mind. Looks like a wonderful project but that's me looking from the ground up. Good Luck. PC

"Hey Tinner, maybe you can come up and help us! No smopking though, and safety equipment and "clothes" are mandatory!"

I'm only into sensible safety equip, as opposed to mandatory. :laugh: Not much into clothing either. :laugh: :cheer:

Nice woork Robby. Exactly what you said only more so.

It is set up to strip it all off, add a layer of nail base insulation and then re-install the tile. Replace them where they are broken, fix the deck and all of the wood beams. New copper flashings throughout, all of the masonry pointed up at least 24 inches abouve the finished roof. a 30 year 90 mil "Platinum" rubber roof on the flat decks and an ice fence at the bottom. All prevailing wages and a LOT of paper work. It keeps going up in price in my mind as I write about it. I haven't figured it yet, but the foot print is about 200 squares. It is a big job. We will see. I hate to walk away from something like this, but as someone said, there is a LOT of risk involved. Very high profile too. OSHA will be all over this one.

We scaffold all our jobs anyway, so that doesn't bother me too much. There is about $40,000 worth of copper just for materials. Hey Tinner, maybe you can come up and help us! No smopking though, and safety equipment and "clothes" are mandatory!

Found a couple of pix from this tile job I described earlier

We pulled up all material and stacked, resheet deck, felt,and re-installed tile

All of the copper flashing embedded to the wall behind mortar

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What a beautiful building, what a shame. Put a bid in if you have the time and patience and they have the money. Not going to be a cheap one. Robbys' suggestion of copper would really dress it up. Again your talking $$$ PC

Lovely job. I love doing the detail work on those.

Are they asking for a new underlayment and if so, what kind of underlayment? Did they salvage the tile from the areas they removed it from? Will the masons be restoring the brick at the same time (and scaffolding everything)? Do you have to bid replacing the rotted beams? With the way commodity prices are so volatile right now, just guessing on where copper and lead prices will be would be quite a gamble. Lots of questions about that one.

When I was younger, a job like that would look like a real opportunity, right now it would only look like lots of risk.

Are you going to redue the valleys and sidewalls to reduce the large gaps? I would throw some "colonial red IB" to the transition areas around the turret and on the large "torch down deck". All of the counter flashing and regular flashing will need to be replace (copper)

Very expensive repair....This is more of restoration project!

To get it right ....I would bid to tearoff all material and stack appropriately to re-install, new flashings and counter flashings, restore rotted rafters

Worked on an 80 sq tile (Same type of tile) plus 20 sq IB and was bid @ $110,000 Dollars (2 story on front and 3 stories on back. Only tile we could find was from the mid-west (used tile 15 sq to replace damaged tile) with about 10% unusable upon delivery.

Alot of planning and support needed for job added to the cost.