State Licensing Shot Down Again!

This time it was the hail-chasers buying-off democrats....The last time, (15 yrs ago), it was the big tract home builders....Colorado is truly a dirty-dirty state. :(

Yeah Mike, I must admit....Unfortunately, most of the licensing is a farce/joke....I suppose the notion of effective licensing to come about, has about the same chance as doing away with licensing....I can understand how & why long-establiished companies would be against licesning....as the small, unscrupulous types would be against, it as well....It makes for a very difficult road for the ethical new/up & coming roofing contractors....We all have to deal with the situation....just have to make our way the best we can....

Mike H Said: Having just gone through the process to get a license in Alabama, what a farce!!! It was not easy getting to the test stage, but the tests were a joke. Cripe, I passed the Biz & Law exam without a single reference source.

Ohio doesnt have a license program, and I dont want one. The last thing I want is for the state to hand someone a piece of paper that says XYZ Roofing is just as qualified as I am. Ive worked to long and hard on a reputation to let the state bastardize the efforts.

Exactly! A lot of it is smoke & mirrors and has little bearing on a roofer'sability and/or intention to do a good job and not rip people off.

I just heard a news story that Florida recently rejected to create 20 new licensures for various & sundry businesses. Good for them!

Just got a letter from Lake COunty. NOW they want me to make a trip to get my Liability Cert recorded just like the Bond

Having just gone through the process to get a license in Alabama, what a farce!!! It was not easy getting to the test stage, but the tests were a joke. Cripe, I passed the Biz & Law exam without a single reference source.

Ohio doesn't have a license program, and I don't want one. The last thing I want is for the state to hand someone a piece of paper that says "XYZ Roofing" is just as qualified as I am. I've worked to long and hard on a reputation to let the state bastardize the efforts.

That's good one....so true....

I saw a sign in a church last night:

Don't give the devil a ride..... he will end up driving

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TomB Said: No...its not brain surgery....thats a no-brainer, as displayed herein....

Oh now, don't be so hard on yourself. :)

No...it's not brain surgery....that's a no-brainer, as displayed herein....

jimAKAblue Said:

TomB Said: What about medical licenses?

Im a flaming radical libertarian and I believe that the constitution gives me the right to use a medical professional that DOESNT have a license. Why?....Why not? Its my body, and my right to choose. If I want to use my neighbor to pull my tooth, stitch up my gashes or give me a lobotomy: its my body!

Roofing isn't brain surgery.

I think regulation is a necessary evil in some areas. I think cops don't have nearly enough!!! Doctors can kill you if they're unqualified, so yeah, they need tighter scrutiny. I'm a pilot, I wouldn't suggest that pilots should not be well-regulated...because a bad one can kill you.

Roofers aren't going to kill the customer through negligence, likely.

Going to the other extreme, like Jim did above, do you think the 7-Eleven employee ringing up your Slurpee should be licensed? Where do you stop?

TomB Said: What about medical licenses?

I'm a flaming radical libertarian and I believe that the constitution gives me the right to use a medical professional that DOESN'T have a license. Why?....Why not? It's my body, and my right to choose. If I want to use my neighbor to pull my tooth, stitch up my gashes or give me a lobotomy: it's my body!

I'm against most licensing but I can see the value and need for some. If you want to drive on public roads, I can see the need for proficiency. But: I also believe that there could be some roads that don't require licenses. Example: if a developer builds a huge subdivision and makes all the road private, he should be able to designate them license free.

The solution to this question of licensing is actually quite simple. Make licensing optional but require the unlicensed operators to advertise it. Those needing the nanny state get the best of both worlds.

....AND....Mary had little lamb, whose fleece was white as snow....

Here is another example of why you don't want to have boards and departments in your life and your children and grandchildren.............. Copy and Pasted from an email 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration. There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning! He was being drilled by a senator, 'Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?' Ollie replied, 'Yes, I did, Sir.' The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, 'Isn't that just a little excessive?' 'No, sir,' continued Ollie. 'No? And why not?' the senator asked. 'Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir.' 'Threatened? By whom?' the senator questioned. 'By a terrorist, sir' Ollie answered. 'Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?''His name is Osama bin Laden, sir' Ollie replied. At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you so afraid of this man?' the senator asked.'Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of', Ollie answered. 'And what do you recommend we do about him?' asked the senator. 'Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth.' The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip. By the way, that senator was Al Gore! Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called 'political prisoners.'However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton,and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher,'insisted' that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked us by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center . This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified.

It was censored in the US from all later reports B) ;) ;) B) Deep Down In Florida Where The Sun Shines Damn Near Every DAy

TomB Said: A bit of a stretch....dont you think????....LOL....Reasonable regulation, is the operative word....

The problem is that "reasonable" is determined by whom? It is determined by a board, or sanctioning body, and they are sometimes heavily influenced by manufacturers/lobbyists. I can't count the times I've seen where somebody with a buck to make, directs the rules to favor himself.

I can't count the times I've seen a city councilmember subtly direct the development/annexation of a town in a specific direction, only to find out many years later that the councilmember's family had previously bought 2,000 acres of farm ground in that area for $500/acre, only to sell it to developers for $20/sq. ft.

Those typically running licensing boards and similar quasi-government entities, are not your cream-of-the-crop folks. They're typically obstructionists who're jealous of business owners and see it as their charge to erect as many obstacles in front of them as they can.

Thinking that a licensing board is going to treat everyone fairly, requires more faith in government than I have.

Call it paranoia, but I much prefer that everyone be expected to take care of themselves and government staying out of my hair.

A bit of a stretch....don't you think????....LOL...."Reasonable regulation", is the operative word....

Read the article. I like the term "Cartel". That's what we vote for every November (97% to 3%) and what our tax $'s support.

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