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twill59
Look at pre ww2 Japan ....or post 2001 USA.... Figure it out
Alba
Eisenhower warned about the "military-industrial complex" which while has pitied the working folks against each other is quietly looting the treasury under the mask of "patriotism".. http://www.onthecommons.org/magazine/pentagon-budget-corruption-disguised-as-patriotism#sthash.qywITVu3.dpbs
Roofguy
Don't get me wrong, I'm a small government guy. A Libertarian. But like I tell me son a lot: Lets try to run to 1st before we try for 3rd base.
The bigger threat is to 2A.
Roofguy
If you think a strong military is expensive, try a weak one.
twill59
I don't think there will be another Eisenhower.
Alba
Roofguy Said: There is an old Latin phrase that sums up the concept that you and other liberals have trouble grasping: Si vis pacem, para bellum. It means: If you want peace, prepare for war.yeah but the excessive military spending was one of the factors that brought about the fall of the roman empire.As Dwight Eisenhower once put it :Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.[1][5]
Roofguy
There is an old Latin phrase that sums up the concept that you and other liberals have trouble grasping: Si vis pacem, para bellum. It means: If you want peace, prepare for war.
Roofguy
Alba Said:Maybe you missed all the flag-draped coffins coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan about C-117 transports. They sacrificed plenty, or were at risk to.This coming from a guy who keeps his AR-15 ready to fight them if feels like the government is infringing his freedom. Im trying to understand :I hate the government but I love the military which is run by the government.
You should get up to speed. The Second Amendment is intended, mostly, as a deterrent. Just like my AR. Secondly, get up to speed on Oath Keepers. Most veterans would never take up arms against citizens.
One of our Founders said it best: when government fears citizens you have freedom, when citizens fear government you have tyranny. Think about it, it's not just a trite phrase.
To think I am anti-military is to have not been paying attention.
Alba
Maybe you missed all the flag-draped coffins coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan about C-117 transports. They sacrificed plenty, or were at risk to.
This coming from a guy who keeps his AR-15 ready to fight them if feels like the government is infringing his freedom. I'm trying to understand :I hate the government but I love the military which is run by the government.
Roofguy
Alba Said:TomB Said: Alba - and I thought I was alone on that perspective - Yes, our military is an incredibly socialistic environment - How ironic...or is that hypocritical? Or both?I dont know im trying to wrap my head around it too.It seems like the us military is a luxurious welfare system.I was watching house hunting international on tv.this military couple had a $5000 a month housing allowance to live off the base in Okinawa japan.They picked a nice house right on the beach.after 20 yeas of such sacrifice for their country they have the right to retire , with a pension.they keep on sucking governments tits this time as civilian government contractors. all this paid for by poor roofers who have to toil on those roofs until theyre 675 years old after having worked most of their lives on jobs without health insurance or paid vacation. half of my older roofing colleagues have already died before the age of 60 , broke.
Maybe you missed all the flag-draped coffins coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan about C-117 transports. They sacrificed plenty, or were at risk to.
Alba
TomB Said: Alba - and I thought I was alone on that perspective - Yes, our military is an incredibly socialistic environment - How ironic...or is that hypocritical? Or both?I don't know i'm trying to wrap my head around it too.It seems like the us military is a luxurious welfare system.I was watching house hunting international on tv.this military couple had a $5000 a month housing allowance to live off the base in Okinawa japan.They picked a nice house right on the beach.after 20 yeas of such sacrifice for their country they have the right to retire , with a pension.they keep on sucking government's tits this time as "civilian government contractors". all this paid for by poor roofers who have to toil on those roofs until they're 67'5 years old after having worked most of their lives on jobs without health insurance or paid vacation. half of my older roofing colleagues have already died before the age of 60 , broke.
TomB
Amen wywoody
wywoody
Every public sector job is a socialistic environment.
TomB
Alba - and I thought I was alone on that perspective - Yes, our military is an incredibly socialistic environment - How ironic...or is that hypocritical? Or both?
Roofguy
Nobody wants their state to be the subject of ridicule, but facts are facts. California is a mess. Liberals have ruined that state.
