Off Topic: Addiction.

I do believe in evolution as well - which fits i am tring to figure out how everything fits. We could go on forever -- Adam and Eve were the first to know how to reason or to know that they were reasoning. Before was instinct -- Everything that is -- always has been and always will be -- zero is an infinate number but infinity does not equal zero -- Which came first the chicken or the egg? The egg something that was not a chicken laid an egg that was deformed and it was a chicken - a deformed whatever laid it. - If you divide an atom 1 million times that would mean there is something a million times bigger what does that say about our perception? There can never be nothing -- nothing ever just quits existing -- nothing ever just begins --

"Well you had that nice, warm fuzzy attitude"

That right there is god - Now if you use that to deceptivly - dishonnestly - it is wrong and of course you will torrmented and more so than other wrong doings (sins).

So say you just got done riping off your family to go score some drugs. You get the warm fuzzy attitude and are now happy as shit you are getting what you want. God does'nt leave us even in the worst times he allows us all our moment that feeling after is still him. But you are right he is pissed as hell about it. in this case you are worshipping a false god even though the true good fuzzy attitude is god you are getting it through false evil ways. the justifications that come with it are evil and most accept or convince themselves that this was the only way and will never do it again - so this gives them some peace and relief this feeeling is Jesus cause he died for our sins and this was a sin - But again this is a false god Jesus is relieving us of the pain and we are happy as shit our grief has gone and we go on thinking all is fine so we are taking for granted that which is Good And right what has been given to us to use under false pretences and corrupt ways.

This is what really came to me in my faith -- why do i need anything false to make me feel good -- I have lost everything and started over twice in my lifetime -- I have come to believe i could make all the money in the world - I would not feel right - i could be the center of attention everyone respected me and looked to me for the answers - i still would not feel right -- I could give the ones i love everything they ever wanted or imagined -- i still would not feel right -- I could drink, Drugs, Party,sex Drugs, Rock and Roll -- I still would be missing something.

What does make me feel right is my faith knowing that i could do all that and still not be or feel right. Childrens smiles, Wind blowing, sun shining, flowers blooming, birds singing, bonding with another, to name a few all feel right these are the things we have no control over and are god -

I am taking your scripture and mine in 2 different contexts - Yours the day we pass on that there will be no more hiding our conscience which is part of or is Jesus (he died so we could feel better after sinning) Meaning all that which was covered up by him will be revealed for what it is everyone of us shall bow because it is written which means nothing is hidden our conscience is revealed as is jesus that has taken that sin -

Philippians 2 - Is in the context of us here and now we should bow now instead of on the day we pass -- Meaning taking our medicine and doing the right thing now before it is too late once we pass we will be stuck with it forever tormenting us.

I do apolijize if what i said rubbed you the wrong way -- My Mother and Step father are very religious -- My step fater is a pastor of a pentecostal church -- I grew up for my first 10 years with another step father who was a drunk and abusive i turned rebellious and got into all sorts of trouble in my teens and early 20's -- I have had plenty of time and experience talking with my current Step father about God and beliefs he also has a doctorate in philosophy -- Not that we agree on 100% of anything but it is a typical conversation me and him on get togethers. So my explanation of my belief is as follows i grew up thinking God says follow me or your Fuc** or dammed or whatever -- (this is how it is i know this) but me being who i am and needing to define the why part - Came to me believing the only way i am capable of and not being (forced to believe) which is what god wants -- So i do not follow God as a being because i am afraid he is going to do something bad to me like send me to hell when i die -- I follow because i know when i die if i do not do what is right and good these feelings that are easy to overcome here will torment me for eternity when i pass.

"May He guide your hearts into ever deeper understanding of His love" 2 Thess.3:5 This is a guidance which is always valid-a guidance into a deeper understanding of His love for you.His love put one way "loves me into loving and forgives me into forgiving".Note- The statement doesnt say "He commands me into loving."or "He advises me into loving,"but "He loves me into loving"-the word of Love becomes flesh...

MNroofin,

It was a collection of thoughts from years of reading. Start with Romans 14:11, then move to Revelation, and tell me if that sounds like a God is willing to share the spotlight with other, if that sounds like a God that says "Well you had that nice, warm fuzzy attitude, so OK, I'll let you in."

Hey FNRUFR NO fightin mood here man... :side:

kage I wasn't trying to start a fight with my comments ."some are sicker than others" is just a little phrase they say in AA like ...easy does it or keep coming back.

minnesotaroofin Said: For me there is only one way that fits -- I do beleive there is a god and there is a christ and the holy spirt -- they are all part of one but not all one -- Jeus christ is the almighty because it is and has been and the only way it can be..

They are one,there called the Trinity..example-The sun is a trinity,the sun itself would be the Father,the light from the sun would be Jesus and the warmth from the sun would be the Holy Spirit,same way with God He is all One..

For me there is only one way that fits -- I do beleive there is a god and there is a christ and the holy spirt -- they are all part of one but not all one -- Jeus christ is the almighty because it is and has been and the only way it can be.

To each his own some people feel they need to spend every waking hour on their knees -- some believe once aweek read from a book stand sit stand sit -- some believe they need to shout out sing and holler -- some believe they need to prey in privite that which is sacred -- some believe they need to show every man their faith

What really matters is our faith and that we believe in a higher power and that it is good and right.

Doesnt matter i belive jesus christ is not a being i believe he is in us all that voice that we call our Conscience and god the father is all good which he is not a being he is the base for all good things - And the holy spirt our reward the feeling. And we will torment for eternity if we choose not to believe in all good things.

Or what most believe as a being who tells you what is right and wrong. and when you go to heaven you will see like a person and he will talk to you and judge you at the gates -- There is nothing wrong with this belief it still gets us there either way.

I have too read lots of the bible i take one on evey trip have one in my office and in my bed -- I read the King James version which i feel the words are important and that though my belief i will understand - What i think confuses alot of people is the versus because if you read one and just take that one verse as it says and not remember what was said say 10 verses ago it will have a totally different meaning.

The book of Matthew for example explains alot.

But how can they call on Him to save them unless they believe in Him? And how can they believe in Him if they have never heard about Him? And how can they hear about Him unless someone tells them? Romans 10:14. Hence why I'll say things THAT matter... ;)

Egg,it appears we dwell on the same plateau. to be there is the key.>>>

Believe me, tico, I have no desire to undermine your position with regard to substance abuse, workaholism, or any of the notorious, nefarious vices most of us have been afflicted with or which have afflicted people we know and love. A working relationship with these vices requires a no-nonsense, matter-of-fact, practical, unambiguous approach. We agree on that. What I am suggesting is that once we get our affairs into some semblance of order, establish a lifestyle that is even capable of maintenance, and draw a circle around the behaviors and habits that cause such suffering, even refusing to revisit those places, at that point the broader spiritual questions still lead outward. There is a fine line, quite possibly no line even, between passion and compulsion. Those with an 'addictive' personality, among which I include myself just so you know where I am coming from, must be ready at all times to eliminate any given activity once it over-runs our lives in an unhealthy manner, and we must be ready and willing always to slow down and take it easy. But there is a good side to compulsion. Your everyday, lethargic, unconscious, and uninspired person cannot draw on this energy because it does not exist. So long as it is not used for self-aggrandizement, this potency, obsessiveness if you will, is an asset, one that has placed its signature on virtually every human development since the dawn of time. imho/fwiw>>>

Maybe using the large caps every time you type an " A " could use some maintenance ???????? " i dunno " B) :) B)>>>

egg Said: Addiction: Origin: 1595–1605; < L addictiōn- (s. of addictiō) a giving over, surrender. See addict, -ion

Maybe not all addictive behavior is bad. Perhaps the infamous abuse of a few substances has hijacked the full range of meaning. Just a thought.

Addiction: "Origin: 1595–1605; < L addictiōn- (s. of addictiō) a giving over, surrender. See addict, -ion

Maybe not all addictive behavior is bad. Perhaps the infamous abuse of a few substances has hijacked the full range of meaning. Just a thought.>>>

He could make everybody follow Him,but He doesnt want robots,this is why we have freewill but there is consequences for choices we make,i can say one thing and that is there is NO rep in hell and satan HATES you more then you could even think,but God loves ya more then you can think and your right He doesnt want to condem anybody to hell but there is consequences,Jesus says in the bible if we deny Him He will deny us,I'll say it again I hope and pray that your hearts will soften to His Word and that you would come to know Him,because we dont know when our last breath will be and i'm hopin to see y'all up there when our day comes,I mean you guys are ROOFERS arnt ya ya got balls dont ya ask Him into your life,if it aint true whats it gonna hurt...But if it is!!(believe me it is,i could write for hours on what He has done for me and mine..) :cheer:>>>