I am so nervous today.

Too close to call means fighting and doubting and a mess. I hope my guy wins, otherwise....

Twill, I didn't nominate Romney. But I'm smart enough not to bet on Secretariat if Secretariat is not in the race. The race was never "winnable" by any libertarian candidate. There just aren't enough people paying attention, and there are too many living on freebies, for a libertarian to win.

Look, save for his untenable foreign policy views, I think Ron Paul was the best candidate. I am very much libertarian in my beliefs, save for just a few issues.

I feel like you're playing checkers when the game is chess. My goal was/is to get Rand Paul elected in 2016...actually it was to get him elected in 2020, because reelecting Obama likely means it will be impossible to beat Hillary in 2016.

We have to try to get to 1st base before we go to 2nd - you guys want to skip 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and run straight from the batter's box to homeplate, and while that may be noble, it won't work. It's not how we win the game. And it is a game.

If I had my 'drothers, we'd go ahead and have the financial collapse and reset tomorrow. I think that's where we're heading and I'd just as soon get it over with while I'm young enough to come through it. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.

I agree with where you want to end up, 100%. I just think that we don't get to dictate how/when we get there - I think we have to adapt to what is happening at the time and adjust our route.

No Tim........you screwed up nominating Romney.

You lost a very winnable election

OS, I agree essentially, but disagree about what to do about it. I'm not inclined to throw my hands up in frustration and write-in a candidate who will get less than 5%.

We screwed up reelecting Obama, that much is clear because now there may not be much we can do about the problems. We may have lost even the remote chance to fix things that Romney gave us. I'll take slim over none every time.

All that aside, you and Twill tell me just how it would have helped to write-in Gary Johnson or Ron Paul or some other candidate? Lay out for me how you would do it differently and how that would likely work. As far as I can see all that would do is make you feel better about yourself.

I think only drastic measures can work now. I think a peaceful revolution has the best chance of working. Could it remain peaceful? I dunno, but I'm not suggesting violence. I realize that sounds radical but I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said something like: "The tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of tyrant and patriots from time to time to maintain a democracy." Revolution is considered a dirty word today but our founding documents are full of reference to the need to it periodically.

I really think something radical will have to be done because simple math dictates where we're heading currently. If things derail, amendments should be made to the Constitution for term limits, a balanced budget, square districts rather than these jagged gerry-mandered districts engineered to win elections, entitlement reform, etc.

And to bring it all full circle, I believe these radical measure are needed because we reelected Obama. I believe that electing Romney would have allowed somewhat less radical actions to try to turn things around. If that fact is true, then it follows that yes there was a good reason to vote for Romney.

Roofguy, I am not sure how old you are, but this same "choice" has been given to us for the last 14 elections I have witnessed. Always the same thing and always the choice between two bad choices, which is no choice.

We are a captive nation and we are slaves. the "ship" is sinking and has been, just faster now. Get ready to "swim" as Twill asys. You can only kick the can down the street so long and there is nothing left to kick.

Well that's better than the roofing analogy. I guess I am just ready for the ship to sink so I can swim to shore.

I am not interested in surviving on seagull poop and raw fish

twill59 Said: Is this what you are saying Tim:

It is better to be an old old man making the same excuses rather than to being a youngish man and admit that the same old excuses dont matter anymore?

No. What I'm saying is that your approach is noble, and it won't work.

You can't always go directly from point A to point B. Sometimes there are detours along the way. You and I want to end up across the river - but you want to trudge headlong into the raging current because that's the shortest route, and I want to walk a half mile down the trail to the bridge.

Hide and watch. The wheels will come off of the economy over the next 4 years. And to make matters worse, Obama's thugs are busily making it nearly impossible for them to lose in 2016. They will buy the votes of tens of millions of illegals by granting them amnesty and voting rights. Some of the political prognosticators on both sides say that it might well be 40 years before a Republican can possibly be elected president again. Pat Caddell, a Democrat strategist, is one of them saying that.

Romney would have bought us time to fix the problems, even if he couldn't fix them himself. Gary Johnson or Ron Paul had zero chance of fixing those problems, simply because they had zero chance of winning. That's the reality of it. Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Is this what you are saying Tim:

It is better to be an old old man making the same excuses rather than to being a youngish man and admit that the same old excuses don't matter anymore?

twill, I'm curious: do you prefer a fast death to a slow one? We're all getting closer to death every day, but I prefer it happen 30 years from now rather than next week.

This is all very basic stuff here. There are just a few absolutes in this. Common sense dictates that the best way to find a cure for any problem, big or small, is to find a way to stay in the game and extend the time you have left to fix the problem.

Roofing analogies abound. Joe Blow's roof is leaking and it is ruining his inventory. His roof is shot, it's been on for 25 years and it's just shot and needs replaced. Alas, Joe doesn't have the money for a new roof and cannot borrow it. So, using Twill's rationale, Joe should give up on the roof and replace the carpet instead. twill's approach worsens the problem - it hastens the end game.

The smart thing to do is for Joe to buy some more time by having Ford Roofing Service install a cost effective chopped fiberglass roof at 1/2 the cost of a new roof. This allows Joe to hold the wolves at bay and stay in business awhile longer and hopefully the economy turns around later and he can survive.

Mitt Romney is not a Conservative, but nor would he be having this nation barreling along, building speed every day, toward financial ruin. If Mitt could have staved off the disaster for awhile, maybe we get a true conservative like Rand Paul in there in 2020. But we'll never know because confused thinkers put a clown back in there and you can bet your last dime he is busy making plans that insure there is no way a conservative can have a chance to win in 2016.

In every situation there is opportunity. Our company recently rolled out One Step Roof Patch, knowing full well that for quite a few years people will be more inclined to salvage their existing roof rather than install a new one...and we realize they'll be less inclined to pony up $20,000 for a Kold King rig. Hence, One Step Roof Patch.

Where are we going? The same place no matter who won. The speed of it is the only difference. The destruction of America

A slow death with Mittens or a quick death w/ Obama....that was our choice and we made it. Does it matter to me? Not anymore. 98% of voting Americans chose death.... so it is the law of the land.

Let's get it over with

No just really sad and scared for my country. Pretty much every single thing I voted for didn't go through. Local, state, etc. I guess I must be wrong.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

Still nervous?

Tweedle dee or Treddle Dum. They don't do anything but are just talking heads.