Curving a gutter and updates on the tile job.

Boy, has this week been a struggle. Windy as heck and that makes it hard to work on the towers. I am working on the curved gutter too. It will be neat when it is finished. [url] https://picasaweb.google.com/crookston.john4/May25?authkey=Gv1sRgCOX8kKPYgN3_lwE#5746662209325975378[/url]

Woody, Not really, There is a large bolt sticking through the top at the point, and they had completely filled it with concrete that we chipped away. They had a 4 way clay cap covering everything up. We are going to install a copper closure cap when we are done as it will be easier to attach. The odl clay cap blew of in the tornado that damaged the rest of the roof. I had to get everything out of the way to set the anchor point to tie off to. It took a while.

Any idea on why the previous tilers cut a mitre at the top of the two-by hip nailer and then installed with the mitered cut upside down?

Hey, June 1, and we did get the tower sripped the other day. Rain for the last two, so we worked on a bench inside a manufacturing plant. You can see that on another post. Kind of hard to get "traction" on this job. Something is always slowing us down.

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Windy as hell today and not safe to get on the tower roof. I hope we can get on it tomorrow, as the time is slipping past. I can't believe it is almost June already. That curved gutter is fighting us. It wants to rip when the tension gets to where it has to be to curve and stay straight. The front looks ok, but the back is waving. Very difficult to make it look good.

I guess if it was easy, everyone could do it.

Rocky, We have removed the ridge caps, but we are storing them on the peak until we put it all back together. As we get the scond side done, we install the ridge closures and then flexim and then reset the ridge and fasten them down. It covers the underlayment at the top until we are finished.

As far as the saddle is concerned, there was not copper on it before and the company would not pay for a copper saddle We had a fight to get them to pay for what we installed. It doesn't make any sense for sure, but it took me six months of negociation to get where we are at with the project. A lot of give and take, and they had 2 or 3 "experts" come in and try and second guess me on a lot of things; quite an undertaking. We have made it so it will be easy to take apart at that point when it bcomes necessary, and they will be able to redo those roofs. I will be too old to worry about it by the time it happens as we did install a three layer system and it is properly sloped too.

As far as the ventilation system goes, we have a lot of ice and snow up here to deal with, and that has been the main problem with this building over the years as the ice has been forming in the winter and smashing hell out of the tiles on the lower roofs when it falls. When we first started to figure this project, it was engineered by a consulting company that was going to have everyone install 4 inches of urethane board stock over the whole roof with a nail surface and then seal everything up with spray urethane on some fo the spots beneath. It would have been a real goat rodeo and I tried to tell them that, but of course they had designed the "system" and were not interested in listening. The way the building is laid out, there is not much of a possibility in making a convection system work. The walls are 2 feet thick in most places, and we had to work with what we had. I vented the soffits all along the bottom on both sides and installed the power vent in the existing small gable vent. It sits low in attic compared to the peak, and without the power assist it would have left most of the hot moist air high at the peak. Once we did open up the soffits, the attic got a lot cooler and the temprature in the messanine work area cooled imediately so I know we are on the right track. I will let you know on the "costs" of utilities, but I know they will go down. I have thought of all of the things you mentioned for sure, and I know I have spent thousands of extra dollars on this project that no one but some of us would ever see. Thanks for the critique! I value your expertise.

OS, the extremes your crew and company went thru to put this roof back togrther is commendable and proves there are quality craftsmen still working the business. We all have been watching the progress of this project and all areas from safety, dry-in, metal work, tuck pointing to the installation of the tile have been professional. I have a couple of questions: Why wasnt, the ridge cap removed? That last saddle you created behind the wall was excellent, You've designed a roof to last a couple hundred years, why didnt you make a saddle out of copper instead of Torch-down that will burn out in 12-15 years maybe sooner? Power -ventilation, why? In this situation, almost any situation, ventilation by convection is far better, more economical and less obtrusive. Power ventilation actually pulls whatever heating or cooling out of the interior of the building,when what you're trying to accomplish is moving air thru the attic or crawl space. Eave, gable and/or ridge venting produce this effect. The heating and cooling bills on this project are going to go up.

Yeah I know, but we made a channel for the water to flow into and it doesn't flow over the tile. We also made sure to pitch the water away from the wall so it ends up right where we want it to be.

I'm always having to tell framers not to frame saddles to end in a point and instead have a blunt end like you did, OS. But I always have a lead apron that tucks under the saddle roof covering at the transition point, so I can direct the water from the saddle over the tile.

Try again?

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