Colorado Senate Bill 12-038

A testbook example of beuracracy gone wild....What a complete & utter waste of time, paper, etc.....The bill requires ONLY roofing contractors to include partucular contractual language in their contracts.....never mind the home improvement, restoration contractors, (who are the biggest bunch of scammers out there), home builders, general contractors, painters, plumbers, etc., etc.

Un-flipp'n believable!

State contractor licensing is what we need....Not more legislative mumbo-jumbo

http://www.rooferscoffeeshop.com/rcs/users/TomB/SB12-038.current.pdf

Wow Roofguy....Well said!

We need about 2% of the laws we have. The vast majority of them are feel-good nothingness because they aren't enforced.

So many laws are redundant. A contractor screwing a homeowner is illegal - it' called fraud or theft by deception. But we have 4,000 more specific laws that cover every aspect of fraud...and they aren't needed. Prosecute the dang fraud!

It's a little like the silly hate crime legislation.

And while I'm throwing around percentages that I have guessed about, I'd guess that 98% of us have no clue what freedom is, and what the Constitution allows legislators to do...and why it does not allow one thing more.

We've become a nanny state, and it has made us weaker as a nation.

Caveat Emptor.

The people need government/legislation to protect them from bad people. Or, they'll be in court every other day suing. Or, the bad peolple overwhelm. The courts need laws to discern who is right and who is wrong. Laws are there to be followed or you pay the price. If most people follow the rules they will not end up in court. Far to many people refuse to follow the rules creating a need for rules to control the rules.

so, some of us don't like legislation. Let me ask you this, How would like a law that says something to the effect that "Insurance companies cannot dictate to the contractor what they can or can't do, as long as it's legal, and it meets their policy, with a homeowner concerning the damage to their home that may incur during a storm?"

Twill ;)

Roof_dawg; Some things just stick in your mind...One particualar tid-bit, was what a fellow told me back in 92', when I was in the midst of relocting to Colo. He had made the comment that Denver was a "dirty city"....It wasn't till a year so after operating in Co. did I realize the real meaning of his statement....(had nothing to do with air quality)....Colo. is a harsh business environment...Not for the timid, nor the follow-the-letter/legal start-up companies....It's "clicky", and a ripe environment for unscrupulous types...Those in the ivory towers, as well as the crooks, (sometimes, one in the same), like it that way....So it remains....

I'm reading Ron Paul's book: Liberty Defined. If he would distribute this book for free, he might have a chance at getting elected.

TomB: Have you contacted state reps or local building associations to share your thoughts? CO must be a peaceful place, peaceful enough to counter your contempt for the working environment.

Glad you're a Libertarian Roofguy. Most folks are for their own freedom and don't give a dime about anybody else's.

Which is odd when they support these goofy military actions in the name of "freedom" . Yet "freedom" scares the crap out of them here in the USA.

Some twisted way of getting some government welfare while still calling oneself a "conservative" I guess. Kind of like hating welfare, but loving the welfare state..... :side:

What's the saying? ..."The pot calling the kettle black"?

It's not black or white....much bigger picture....Much!

TomB Said: CIAK/Roofguy; You havent a clue....this has nothing to do with licensing....The antic doesnt affect me at all, nor anyone els, for that matter.... Its simply an example of particualr agendas and who has the loudest mouth....

Tom, it has everything to do with licensing. You're thinking too narrowly to see that.

One day you will have an epiphany, like I did. For years I thought Libertarians were wacky because some of them are for the legalization of drugs, and are against foreign wars that have no direct bearing on us (nation building). Then it hit me like a ton of bricks that Ron Paul is right about "most" of the stuff he says. It's not whether you agree or disagree with each individual issue - it's a matter that it's not the government's place to get involved in most of the stuff they get involved in. If it's not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, the government should butt out.

CIAK/Roofguy; You haven't a clue....this has nothing to do with licensing....The antic doesn't affect me at all, nor anyone els, for that matter.... It's simply an example of particualr agendas and who has the loudest mouth....

Tom, exactly what you have been squawking about, has now risen to smite thee!

You cannot ask for more government, then complain when you get it but it's not exactly what you wanted.

It's simple: Government regulation is a net bad thing. Yeah, a few lives are saved by OSHA regulations and a few crook are thwarted by licensing, but it's a slippery slope that has an endless domino affect of unintended consequences.

It's a net bad thing!!!

The market settles these things out far more effectively than the government can.

Tom You cry for state licensing? Then you post this? An Oxymoron Licensing will bring legislative mambo-jumbo. This is the tip of the iceberg of licensing. Laws, Rules and Regulations on top of Laws, Rules and Regulation. Be careful what you wish for, You just might get it all and some you don't want. B) :) :) B) Deep Down In Florida Where The Sun Shines Damn Near Every Day

Amen to that!

Be careful what you wish. You just might get it all and some you don't want. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus

The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.

B) :) :) B) Deep Down In Florida Where The Sun Shines Damn Near Every Day

This should be called the Colorado Hail Bill.....It's ridiculous & isn't going to change a thing. The stormers will always come in and capture the lions' share of the opportunities.