coating roofers my @#$%^

That powered parachute looks like the ticket. If the power goes out, I suppose it would just float to the ground. It would bump hard I am sure, but you shouldn't get killed by the impact.

I have not decided yet, are you. Do you have a booth there?

Mike, not sure which one you're referring to. I built this one:

But bought this one already built:

That's me in both of them. Both were a blast but the powered parachute was doubly fun. It takes off, flies, and lands at 26 mph. At that speed about 10' over the crops, you see a lot of wildlife that you don't see from a Cessna at 1,000' at 110 kts. The Challenger (blue one) was fun but in a different way - it had a ballistic recovery chute in case something bad happened.

I don't have them anymore. I used to have a 1,000' grass runway at my house and when I moved it became less practical. I'll do it again some day.

Kade, you going to Vegas?

If the industry new what we know about glass and emulsion and what a great system it is everyone would be doing It. you and I should get together in the near future and do some brain storming on how we can help one another. I will contact you by phone on Monday to see if we can set up a time and place to meet. Thanks

Hey Tim, is that your ultra light, and if so, did you build it?

Kade, I remember talking to you quite a bit at a Vegas convention years ago. I tried to get ahold of you several times after that - I don't remember if I had the wrong email address or what, but I tried. You have a lot to offer and we would probably find we can benefit each other.

I agree 100% about protecting the good name of the emulsion/glass system. It's in everyone's best interest for that.

Like your dad, mine has been a pioneer in ambient temp roofing. Here are a couple of photos of my brothers and me installing a shingle resurfacing system my dad invented back in the 70's to repair hail damaged roofs. It worked great, but the wandman (me) had to be nearly flawless with the wand and that meant it was really hard to teach people to do the system. There was no room for error because if the tie-in line of cutback was allowed to dry and skin over (2-3 minutes), the granules wouldn't stick and you'd get a black edge. The wandman had to have precise control otherwise you'd lose the cutout line of the shingle. When finished it looked exactlt like a new shingle. We have a letter from a roof consultant who looked at a large T-lock job on an apartment complex and argued with my dad when he told him the roof had been coated. The consultant didn't believe him until my dad pointed out an area where we got cutback and granuled up into a vent jack. Ya had to do the roof like a checkerboard - the wandman would spray out a 10' x 10' pasttern of cutback, then while the granuleman shot granules in it (leaving a 6" wet edge o9f cutback so the tie-in didn't show), the wandman moved up and over and started another pattern. Plug a nozzle and you have about 2 minutes to get it unplugged and back spraying or your edge would dry. Hard to do! We could do 3-4 house per days with a 3-man crew @ $35/SQR.: http://s878.photobucket.com/albums/ab347/RedBaron171/?action=view¤t=ShingleResurfacing2.jpg

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Well first I will say I did not direct this post to anyone in particular there are many roofers trying to make the glass shield system work in the northwest, even kold kingers. Just for some history the glass shield system was invented by don Wyatt who had a partner Larry widmer in 1964 -1965 who in 1967 hired my father,and later went on as partners in GSRS the largest installer of the glass and emulsion system on the west coast. In 1972 my father invented the two hole fanning system on the chopper gun doing away with the 4 hole fanning gun. Later this gun was marketed by western colloid and sold it to there installers. he also helped create the fortron pump still pumping products today. I have known the system from owning a manufacturing plant to installing my hole life. So now lets roll the calendar forward. My problem is not kold king it is the people buying equipment and trying to make roofs without knowing what they are doing, what they are doing is destroying the reputation other people spent there lives building. Now I see a lot of roofs with glass and emulsion systems that were meant to get a 12-4 and had no more than a 6-2. Now this being said, I will not say they were or were not kold kingers. Also Tim I'm sure you would like your clients to do good work. We both want this system to have the reputation it has earned. I tried to work with you 3 or 4 years ago when I had holtzlander coatings the emulsion plant but I never heard from you. till now. I'm sure there is a way we could work together to get these people on the right track. Thanks for posting.

Whatever you do, it takes time to do it right. I don't care if it is roofing or changing oil in cars, there is a way to cut corners and costs.

I am sure our grandfathers were also ticked off because people were cutting corners back then too. Nothing changes.

As I'm sure the post was directed at Kold King, let me offer a few comments.

My dad has been installing ambient temp roofs for 43 years. I've worked for him 31 years.

When Kold King got it's start in the 1970's, my dad was the largest installer of the GAF Mineral Shield system west of the Mississippi (this according to GAF). Kold King was invented when my dad landed a 1,530,000 sq ft ambient temp roof job (that's 35 acres). When cutback asphalts fell out of favor for environmental reasons, one of the pioneers in emulsion/chopped glass helped uis transition away from cutback, to emulsion - Larry Widmer is his name (Kade knows him).

Roll the calendar forward, we now have trained well over 100 contractors and sold them rigs in 35 states, Puerto Rico, and as of last week Curacao in the Brittish West Indies. We have tons of experience.

As for training, sometimes it's 1 day and sometimes it's a week - it depends on a number of factors including the experience of the contractor. A guy who has never sprayed anything needs more time than a guy who knows how to work a wand. For some guys, a month wouldn't be enough. There is no set number of days that is enough or not enough. Those who have been on this forum for a number of years can vouch for the fact that I have turned down rig sales to a lot of contractors. One guy on here got in a lengthy shouting match with me when I refused to sell him a rig - I refused to sell him a rig because he was a garage door installer who had little roofing experience. Another contractor had his attorney threaten to sue us because I refused to sell him a rig. A competitor of Robert's called to buy a rig 2 days after he saw us training Robert, and I refused to sell him one. The point being that there are other factors beyond how many days of training a guy gets. A guy with no roofing experience might need weeks of training, whereas a guy who has worked with emulsion and has sprayed elastomerics for 10 years can pick it up in a few hours.

Thirdly, because we have sold enough rigs, a secondary market has developed. Contractors sell their Kold King rigs for a variety of reasons. They may have gone broke, or upgraded to a newer rig, retired, don't like the system, etc. A LOT of Kold King rig owners call themselves "Kold Kinger" when the truth is they aren't and never have been connected with us or trained by us in any way. When we find out about them we tell them to stop telling people they're Kold Kingers. One member here can vouch for that - he called me yesterday and told me of a contractor in his area who bought a used Kold King rig from a Kold Kinger who retired, and was using our photos on his website. I immediately sent the guy an email telling him to stop.

So, some Kold Kingers only received 1 day of training, it's true. And 1 day of rooftop training is exactly 1 day more training than most offer. More importantly, everyone who says they are a Kold Kinger and were trained by Kold King, weren't...they may have simply bought a used Kold King rig somewhere.

A properly installed glass and emulsion roof should last 15 years minimum on your standard 25000 sq ft roof. We have numerous roofs over 25 years old and still doing there job. With that said it is a miracle in a can system. This miracle just takes lots of practice. tpo,pvc,hypalon,torch,hbu and all the other systems with proper installation all should be long lasting the problem is all the fly by night roofers who learn a little bit and think they can just go cut corners and rob people. Giving all systems bad names! So I guess we need some solution?

As a supplier I am constantly asked for the easy quick fix. For small issues or mobile home roofs the average guy with a roller or sprayer can make it work. However, there are some incredible systems that will restore everything from TPO, EPDM, and even tar and gravel using emulsions and fabrics usually coated with a final elastomeric that will last as long as a new roof and give sustainabilty. These systems are great for certain circumstances and can't be beat, but as with everything, they must be applied correctly in the right conditions and with proper preparation. That is not a job for an average homeowner or guy with a roller and sprayer.

My advice to building owners is to do some research and ask intelligent questions to ensure their roofer is indeed qualified to do the job at hand.

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Here in the great northwest we have 6-8 months of rain so a good roof system is very important. Mobile home roofs are usually white coatings. Glass and emulsion also known as (the glass shield roof system) is a very different animal,I believe the glass shield system is the best system on the market (installed properly) but now we have allot of people calling it other things and installing it very wrong,therefore giving it a bad name just last week I inspected a roof in northern cali that was installed very poorly last year and the owner now has a bad taste in his mouth,thanks to badly trained applicators. I am all for competition but not for companies out to sale a system and not give the proper training that goes with it that's not good for anyone but the company selling it. Not sure of how much coatings get done in Florida never been there. :( :( (someday) I know several consultants that claim they know how to install glass and emulsion but its been proven they don't that is the reason for my comments. Just here to set the record strait no disrespect.

Explain it to us. I for one have seen alot of it done on Mobile home roofs on an assembly line. No where else. B) :) :) B) Deep Down In Florida Where The Sun Shines Damn Near Every Day