waste of copper

clover83 Said: This guy ALMOST had a clue, but not quite. Was that high side shingle installed and left sticking out 1.5 into the valley?

Yup, pretty sloppy work.

Got everything done except installing the counterflashing. Its been to cold and wet. Had to seal the step flashing as a temp seal until I can get back to it. At least they are not leaking now and Im not even finished lol.

Not bragging in the slightest and I mean that, but I've never put on an S/A system without a nailed base and at least one midply sheet. Most often I do a base and two and a cap. That's because I am an old hot man who retired my kettle some years ago and never got comfortable with heat-welded singleplys. Don't do the volume to engage in Fibertite, which I am told by reliable sources that I respect the most is the best and people around here are pushing TPO big-time which I have zero interest in. Nobody does EPDM and there is no reliable supply chain for it here. That doesn't leave many options and I don't care enough to let the client squeeze me into a corner. Would rather walk and let other genius take something on that I don't want to be associated with. Lawsuits really aren't any fun and around here there are plenty of clients who wouldn't bat an eye at filing one. The insurance carriers draw a fireline at around eighty thousand dollars and roll over right there. I'm not interested in playing in that league anymore.

We've encountered severe granule loss in a couple of instances and gone back with a coating. So far so good on them and all the others. Very labor intensive to do them correctly and hanging around for ambient temps to reach optimum instead of importing your own heat is a bit of a drag. On the other hand, when you walk away you know that each square foot of each one received enough attention that you're not going to get spanked later for really dumb mistakes and negligence, which can occur to any of us.

That's my story...

Agree on the copper in the pic. It appalls me that so many practitioners of our craft show so little respect for the materials they use.

Edit, talkn too much. :blink:

"Plus we have become a large portion of the workforce since I've been back."

? Do you mean less subs?

Ten or so years ago while I was in college, my Dad instructed our guys how to install their first mod. bit but the base sheet didn't get delivered so they used felt. Luckily, a huge windstorm blew it off without rain and we replaced it free of charge. Tough lesson that could have been way worse.

Since then, we have really focused on telling our guys "WHY you do it this way" versus "this is HOW it's done" Plus we have become a large portion of the workforce since I've been back.

I've only done it on a 3 seasons room, a 6 x12 porch and one other very small job. :laugh:

I like to nail a base sheet to the decking so if I ever have to tear it off, I'm not the guy I'm cussing. And apparently the nailed base sheet eliminates some of the tears caused by expansion & contraction of the structure. I love the SA mid-ply in theory, but I never got a chance to install a 3-ply system because asphalt prices skyrocketed. I've been installing EPDM and TPO primarily since, aside from small residential areas connected to shingle roofs.

Well why not use I&W as a base sheet then apply their nail down base sheet as a mid ply and then cap it?

We've done that.

Well I just meant the self-adhered base. I've not actually ever had a customer spring for the 3-ply system, but I did order some self-adhered base sheet to patch a Hardee's roof once and had leftovers.

I'm happy to announce that many of the guys don't even run the nailed base sheet around here. Or there are the guys who just use felt w/ plastic caps for a base! I'm sure you've seen that genius move...

Thats funny clover/ woody.....my supplier told me they don't carry the mid ply. No one one uses it.

Base sheet and cap only for the fine crews working NW Indiana

This guy ALMOST had a clue, but not quite. Was that high side shingle installed and left sticking out 1.5" into the valley?

woody, glad to hear I'm not the only one who's done it. It has to be better than the cheap ice & moisture guard they sell around here. We do run that crap, but I don't sleep better at night because of it.

Where's the after pics? :)

It looks like he used the midply of a CertainTeed SA system for underlayment in a crucial spot. OK, I'll admit to doing that, too.

You should post some pics the new copper work! I'm always interested to see others work.

SOS, different day. Thanks for sharing max