They are hiring roofers

You are missing my point. I am not saying you can run a crew with all the headaches and the selling and the paperwork...

I see it all the time. 2 guys work together and split the money. They make good livings at those prices. I started subbing until I built a reputation. I made good money at low prices.

Ya Know, I worked in SC after Hugo for one winter, 1989. Sears paid about $30 sq., if I remember correctly. I had a local boy helping me. I did really good with those wages. Lots of PA retirees around Rock Hill/ Charlotte, NC BTW

It's been awhile. I agree it can be done. Seems like that $30/ sq should've about doubled by now.....most everything else has tripled

My present day costs per sq, with my crew, equipment and benefits are in the mid $60's now. "Subs" here are mimicking each other at about that rate. IF one has work comp, (today maybe, but not next week), then they might be a little higher.

Their tools, as I've said are a joke. The quality....what quality? Still, I can learn something from just about anybody.

I don't think the problem is with my management. We are solid. Quality installs. Gear. Trucks. Insurance. PROFESSIONAL TOOLS. And still no more costly than the "subs"

I figured 200 working days a year. With everything you are listing he would still make $100,000 a year.

I know that is under perfect working conditions and that would not happen. The point is that 2 guys could go in a partnership at them prices and make a very good living.

Did you forget to deduct $5000 yr. for retirement? Oh wait. We are dirty working scum. Not worthy :angry:

There is definitely a few reasons Subs, and therefore Contractors Do Not fix roofs....

And I believe that the Number 1 reason is that they don't have the tools to do this work well.

Of course, laziness, lack of experience, pressure to get the job done, customer expectations/ budget and other screwed up priorities have an effect.

But the WAGES paid to these "BUSINESSMEN" will not support a quality job day in and day out.

Who is roofing pole barns and up and over ranch houses everyday of the year?

Tools never break? You never need new ones? You don't need blades, chalk, caulk guns?

I've seen psuedo subs "tools".....or lack thereof. Sad.

Truck is "free"? Dump truck too? Gas of course is given away to roofers. Just use your Roofers Card!

Phone? What does their bank charge you to do business?

In Atlanta you might be able to work 250 days per yr.....hope you absolutely LUV the heat! I've worked down south. Yes it gets HOT. Here, up north, 200 good production days at best.

Do you work on Sunday?

Ladders. Tarps. Staging. Tear-off bars. I am not mentioning a variety of power tools. I will assume that you intend to do this work with hand tools. Even a handsaw needs replaced once in a while. Good luck cutting plywood with it (@ $12 / sheet)

Lefty Said: What overhead? My tools and truck. My truck is the office. Insurance cost me $5,000 a year. Down to $100,000 the first year. After that my tools are paid for. I am at $107,000 a year.

Sorry I edited out my overhead comment

What overhead? My tools and truck. My truck is the office. Insurance cost me $5,000 a year. Down to $100,000 the first year. After that my tools are paid for. I am at $107,000 a year.

I'm sure that many people are Lefty....... ;)

I could make a good living at that price. Done in one day I could not meet that part. Doing 10 square a day I would make $2250 a week, $112,500 a year. If I had a partner we split the earnings. There is very little paperwork. There is no collecting or selling.

Yes I could make a good living at them prices.

30 years ago we had a big apartment complex we roofed. I had a crew to set scaffolding all around it, so it had a 5 foot solid platform totally around the building at roof height. I had a separate crew that did the tear-off for $21.00 a square, and another bunch of guys that roofed it for $21.00 a square. If I recall correctly, we were paying $18.00 a square for shingles then. In todays economy, that would be the equivalent of getting about $75 to $85 a square for tear-off and the same for putting them back on. I paid for the disposal and I paid all the insurances. The roof was 12/12 pitch, and I paid the tear-off crew extras to fix any wood. I didn't have to advertise to get help. they came to me.

Great to have you here. Do you have a name we can call you besides Pain? B)

ha ha touché GK !! Youll be happy to hear I got the job at fifty a square and its felted half assly. Only a 5/12 and a mere 40 year shingle. Had to do some talking but my head is out of my ass..thanks for the wake up call guys. Im still smiling GK GOOD ONE. Glad to be among fellow Hard workers with dignity and pride.

It's actually a RAISE in pay from what "subs" get in my area which is $40 sq. 1-layer walker and they have to pay the landfill out of that! :huh:

In other words: "Looking for roofers to work for less than mimum wage."

I expect they'll have no problem finding someone that will do it for the pain. :laugh:

Sorry Still Lovin, I couldn't help myself. :dry: