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No it's cool. I am satisfied with your answer. I often wish I had gone to law school. It's one of those things you look back on your life and say "damn I should have pursued that dream or ambition or interest or whatever you want to call it.>>>

Thats cool then.

Did you get enough of an answer, or do you feel another topic needs to get started?

Ed>>>

I should have started a new topic to quiz you on it. I simply wanted to know if you had to go to court a lot to get paid based on the number of posts you make on the legal issues. It did make me a tad bit curious as to whether or not it was a pattern for you. I will stay on topic in the future. It is not my intent to initiate conflict for the sake of conflict I assure you.>>>

2 court cases in the past 11 years.

But, if I am paying an attorney to represent my interests, I want to know how other issues may serve for any additional legal avenues to explore and further my chances of winning on the merits of the case, rather than rely on a missed opportunity for relaying my position.

It may seem as if a lot of posts I make have a legal view-point to them, but that is because I studied the little legal intricacies in depth and enjoy the readings that correspond to various legal aspects.

Also, the One case that I do have going on currently, is now at the 2 year and 10 month period of time since commencing, which may make it seem as if I am in an ongoing battle with customers,but that is the rare event.

So from my own trials and tribulations, I have chosen to share the myriad of experiences that come with the territory, so that others could benefit from the experience, without having to be party to it.

I would like to ask though, how my comment about being able to overcome a price difference of just 10% not seeming that difficult, triggered your concern for my past and present potential legal issues?

Was there some point you were trying to surreptitiously make by bringing attention to the innuendo of continuing legal battles, which in reality are just 2 isolated and very far spread apart incidents?

Ed>>>

Ed I am curious, given that many of your posts are of a legalistic nature. Do you have to go to court often to get paid on your jobs?>>>

I have gone ahead and gotten better at rejection :laugh:>>>

A difference of only 10% is relatively easy to beat when you are the higher one, if you have the professionalism to prove that you are offering more and better services and have been around for a longer period of time.

But, I do agree, when the differences get to be 30% and 40%, things are much tougher.

Ed>>>

P.S. I am keenly aware that retail prices vary vastly form region to region. The numbers I selected are merely intended to represent 'X' and 'Y' values.>>>

This has been my experience....

In relation to the "going rate" question. There is indeed a "going rate" which is indeed area specific. Each region of the country has a "going rate" relative to the price of materials in your region and the average labor rate specific to one's region. And if one is not able to perform the services within a reasonable range of the "going rates" then you will not be in business long. I don't care how good you are, you are going to have a very limited market if your in an area that say on the average gets $265.00 per sq. for 30 yr. arch's. off and on,with walkable pitch. If your hell bent on the fact that your gonna sell the same job for 295.00 because your service and expertise is so much better than all the other established roofers in the area be prepared for a ton of rejection. Regardless of your salesmanship skills you are only going to get a small percentage of homeowners who are going to pay the additional amount and feel as though it is worth it because they are convinced that because they have selected you they are indeed going to receive better service and a higher degree of professionalism. Because they heard this same speech from the 2 previous contractors whom they received estimates from

Now please notice before all you guys pile on me that my conclusions are based on a homeowner getting the 3 "standard procedure estimates" from "established local roofing companies".

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One thing to remember its the Contractor that screws up the industry You will go out of business if you follow the going rate. B)>>>

You guys are cracking me up! :woohoo:

I wish Ms Hot Shot would come back on and enlighten us about her roofing experience. The going rate is a waste of time. It is determined by those who have no idea what to charge and are following the herd. The going rate will not enable you to run a legal business or to make a decent living for yourself or your workers. The going rate is used by those who don't know how to sell their skills and capabilities. The going rate is used by the average roofer. The average roofer is always complaining that they are not making any money. The average roofer does not stay in business for too long.>>>

I always quoted high and then asked the customer what they wanted to pay When I was in Broward county back in 1970 the so called going rate on tear off and replace 3 tab Shingles was 150 and up heavy weights were 200 & up BUR was 200 per sq off and on, modified just was coming in to play and that start at 350 off and on. Large commercial jobs say 2000 sq & more the bur would be 300 plus insulation. I would quote a 3 tab reroof for 200 per sq and go from there when I moved up to St lucie I quoted the same way and people laughed at me they were paying 90 per sq for a 3 tab reroof. You have forget about competition and go out and sell your product forget about the going rate. The customer will tell you what they want to pay. It will be up to the sales person to get those numbers, I used to go thru my pitch and the customer would say wow that sounds like an expensive system, I would counter by saying expensive compared to what, it all about presenting you pitch and getting the customer to want to buy from you everybody is out there selling when you get that customer wanting to buy then you have a sale.>>>

Ya know, Eric, the roofing trade has shown us some very interesting enterpreneurial models, and together with the graduate-level lessons taught by AIG, Citi, Merryl-Lynch, and related company, plus the creative financing options pioneered by Ponzi and taken to new heights (lows?) by Madoff, we could start a new business school...

The Higher Institute of Social Observations and Heuristic Knowledge (AKA SOHN)will teach two tracks - How to... and how to protect against...

Given the life-long learning model, degrees will be awared on a memoriam basis, however fees will be collected prepaid. The coat of arms will feature a shield, a screw, a hammer, a sword and tongs, the arrangement thereof depending on the academic track chosen.

Yes, it does have possibilities.>>>

We need to expand the range of the prospective alternatives a little. There is the Platinum Screw model. The Ivory Screw model. The Self-tapping Screw model. (This one is for any self-satisfied salesmen lurking) The use of Escrew accounts to guarantee equitable performance. And then at last there is the question of which driver is being used.

(j/k)

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Yeah, yeah, yeah................

We had this conversation in Florida last February, as I recall.

To me, that IS detail oriented. I only learn after being smacked up along side the head by the obvious a few times. LOL>>>