(LEAK REPAIRS)

I'd say yes, probably was a bad mood, for which I'm happy to apologize. On the other hand, I would say things are a little clearer for the discussion. As it turns out it's two guys at $20/hr. gross wage each, not counting payroll burden for a variable amount of time including driving, prep, and lay-up. I'm guessing this ends up more like 2 man hours to set up, 3-4 man hours to prep, 2 man hours to lay up and 2 man hours to clean up, break down, and split. That's more like 10 man hours at $40 net cost of labor for $400, plus $600 in materials for a cost of goods sold around $1000. Now I'm not blinking so hard. You figure in your business overhead and the sales time and the allowance for risk and I think you have a fair number. $65 labor plus $570 materials and $15 gas most definitely rubbed me the wrong way. You're talking to a guy who forty years ago thought he skinned a fat hog only to realize later he'd forgotten to bid in the labor at all and another time used a 1/4 inch scale on an 1/8 inch drawing. At my age carelessness goes straight to my spleen. All it takes is one lawsuit and you can see the ribs on all the little fat hogs in history. imho. Points taken.

Err...i'm kinda sorry that I spoke up.

Carry on...

egg Said: ...whether the labor is $50 or $125 is pointless to seek an answer to...

This is true.

Two guys working for four hours each & grossing 60 bucks total. Dudes like that are not ever touching my roof. Low self-esteem + low pay= low quality.

Plus, if I knew their boss planned to bill me over two k in profit for that scope and that type of operation, frankly Id never speak to him again; Im a Golden-Rule type. Could never abide it. Not saying it doesnt happen, and its a free country, but that kind of thing belongs in somebody elses universe, not mine.

Off your soapbox yet? Feel better about yourself now? Now, about your fantasy trip drown Literal Road, it was a hypothetical job, and I said so. My math had multiple errors, which you pointed out, and which I admitted. I typed it in a hurry. The point remains and is still valid.

But here's the part where you look careless, which isn't the norm for you (perhaps you're cranky today): One poster above said I was too cheap. And at $350/SQR over gravel, he's probably right. That's a pretty good price for roofing, it's an amazing price for repair work! The important part of the equasion which you left out, in your eagarness to be critical and nit-picky, is a fact you already know: The "scope" of work is not what made the hypothetical patch job very profitable. Not at all, I'm surprised you missed that. The Kold King rig allowing those 8 SQRS worth of patching to be applied in about 30 minutes or less is what put the profit in the job, no???

Whatever is buggin' ya, leave me out of it.

P.S. It is pretty clear from my post that I was paying my workers $20/hr in the hypothetical job. I don't know what laborers get in your "universe," but here in West Texas that's pretty damn good!

"...whether the labor is $50 or $125 is pointless to seek an answer to..."

This is true.

Two guys working for four hours each & grossing 60 bucks total. Dudes like that are not ever touching my roof. Low self-esteem + low pay= low quality.

Plus, if I knew their boss planned to bill me over two k in profit for that scope and that type of operation, frankly I'd never speak to him again; I'm a Golden-Rule type. Could never abide it. Not saying it doesn't happen, and it's a free country, but that kind of thing belongs in somebody else's universe, not mine.

egg Said: eight squares broom-clean and patch for $75. $15 for fuel. $60 labor. eight squares (2 men/$30 each) how much for the four man-hours to broom?

Around $2100 - $2200 gross profit, lets just leave it at that. There are so many variables involved that whether the labor is $50 or $125 is pointless to seek an answer to because, the size of gravel and how much it's embedded can make a much larger difference in the cost of emulsion than the difference in labor cost. It's a hypothetical roof, the gross profit is around $2100-$2200.

eight squares broom-clean and patch for $75. $15 for fuel. $60 labor. eight squares (2 men/$30 each) how much for the four man-hours to broom?

8 repairs x $350 ea = $2800 - $645 = $2155...not $2230. This is why I'm a roofer, not a math teacher.

"...Eight such repairs = 2 hrs for 2 men to broom back gravel + $570 in materials + $75 in labor (3 hrs x $20+ $15 in fuel/wear) = $2230 gross profit for 1/2 day of work...."

I can certainly can read the words well enough, but the meaning seems kind of indeterminate. No offense, but the description here reminds me a whole lot of flipping burgers.

Usually a minimum of 4 man hours.

Roofguy, I don't understand. Are you charging 350 or 2230?

If you are charging 2230, then I'm more than impressed. If you're charging 350, I'm still okay with it but I think you can get a bit more if it's commercial.

Roofguy Said: We usually install a 10 x 10 repair on all leaks unless the source is really obvious. Depending on how many there are, we usaually charge $350 over gravel and $250 over smooth.

Should have a roof ready to do a demo on in around a week or so if that still fits your schedule.

That should still work if you could give me an exact date and where (what city) so i could book my flight early that would be great.

jimAKAblue Said: Thats sounds cheap Roofguy. Im charging that as a minimum to patch in a few shingles or change a pipe flashing.

Depends on how many. Eight such repairs = 2 hrs for 2 men to broom back gravel + $570 in materials + $75 in labor (3 hrs x $20+ $15 in fuel/wear) = $2230 gross profit for 1/2 day of work. Not a barnburner by any means, but it beats flipping hamburgers. :cheer:

We want to make money on repairs but 1/2 of our motivation is to retain or earn a customer.

Thats sounds cheap Roofguy. I'm charging that as a minimum to patch in a few shingles or change a pipe flashing.

We usually install a 10' x 10' repair on all leaks unless the source is really obvious. Depending on how many there are, we usaually charge $350 over gravel and $250 over smooth.

Should have a roof ready to do a demo on in around a week or so if that still fits your schedule.