131 foot long piece of gutter to install

Way back about 30 years ago I made a piece about 250 feet long that went inside a greenhouse to catch condensation water, but that was only waist high. This one we had to carry up 4 ladders to get it in place. It is amazing how much they bend and flex without kinking.

https://picasaweb.google.com/crookston.john4/SweetGutter?authkey=Gv1sRgCOuJ-dDwxoumdg#

I like that look. Not the thing you see every day on every house. That's usually a plus for me.

Clover, My brother makes the machines and he "invented" the reverse lip half round gutters about 35 years ago. Till that time, they were all made on a brake and rolled. These gutters can be hung from the inside or as the case was in this long job, we used cast fascia brackets. Here is a picture of the gutters we installed on my son's house where we used the stamped aluminum fascia brackets. The gutter sits inside of them and it floats. It is very strong, and it works very well. Most of the leaves just wash right out the downspouts. the fact that they are 6" gutters and the downspouts are 4 inch helps too.

https://picasaweb.google.com/crookston.john4/RobSGutters?authkey=Gv1sRgCLf9t_7m0ZKeVg#

Mike H Said:

But you know how it is when you are dealing with high profile projects.... Roofers are the dummies on the job.

Yea, it's like "We will handle this, go and pound some nails" Go pound sand Go around the corner and pound your head on the wall

seen-it-all Said: Is the failure of the original gutter a result of water penetration from out in the existing roof field? If so, did you install any type of water stop to protect your new work or do you have to warranty the repair. Ive always cringed at situations like this as you know that if you dont address the source of the water penetration the problem will appear again. They will either call you back to fix your mistake or badmouth your company if it doesnt work if you dont get them to sign off on what youve found and what you recommend as a solution to the problem.

Not sure where the water is coming from, but I suspect that there was not a gutter problem from the beginning, and that this is a wasted project. The original design had the gutter sitting on a concrete ledge, the new SS gutters are being set on it as well, and in the photos from that day, or the next, you can see the outlet coming off the face of the gutter. I think there is a roof problem and it was running off the concrete plank. But you know how it is when you are dealing with high profile projects.... Roofers are the dummies on the job.

First thing I did was send out an email absolving us of all liability if the choice to proceed remained in effect. PUSH ON was the answer.

Okie Dokie.

This is more what we usually do. 60' or whatever runs best accommodate the building. You can see the butted end caps in one of the pics, and if you look hard, can see the exterior joints from ground level.

https://www.encitegroup.com/fcs/opm_s_entryview.php?xid=1869_141097964717605TRONBwA&opm_entry_id=38383

These are 24 ga. Kynar steel, roll formed, apron gutter with a 45 degree angle in the front bottom corners. Hangers are 80 mil aluminum with front-lip lock bends and are screwed into new wood nailers at the perimeter, with top flange screwed or ring-shanked also. A nice, solid gutter system that eliminates the maintenance problem of shop-formed joints in long runs of apron gutter.

On any of these Job Report links, you can click the "View All Photos" below our logo, and it will give you a start-to-present history of the job. They aren't all "writers", so some foremen do a better job than others... But we are working on bringing them all up to standards. The two jobs posted here by my son Drew, and our forman Nate, are definitely the two best with descriptions. Spelling misques are just the hazard of roofers using iPhones for submission of the reports.

I don't think I've ever ran into a half-round gutter around here. Ever.

I'm highly intrigued but not enough to pay $25k for a seamless machine.

edit: Nevermind, I recall that we've pulled a few off that were archaic hanging on w/ wire.

There is no "rule", but we normally try and get a downspout every 40 feet or so. There were 4 on this piece. We went from low point to low point and then pushed the chalk line up about 3/8" in the middle. If it is moving, that is enough. Murphy's law says that if you are trying to drain to the north, the building is low to the south and vice versa. The best way is to set the piece and pour in some water and let the water tell you where it is low. It never fails.

We very seldom did residential or commercial gutters, usually sub them out to the gutter folks, I always wondered at what pitch do these long runs are set at ?

The owner is a friend of mine and we did a bunch of work to one of his buildings a few months ago. He wanted something unique and this works very well and at the same time is "unique" That, and I also have the machine so I can make it cheaper than trying to get someone to run it in 6 inch K style.

Lefty, you are right. The half round doesn't have any corners that the water can stand in, and since it doesn't take much pitch with the round gutters to start the water flowing they do tend to clean themselves. We put a slight pitch to them and then use the 4 inch round downspouts. I tell people that they would not install rectangular plumbing in their house and the round downspouts act the same way with the water from the roofs. ANYONE that puts it up will rave about it because it looks different and better. IMHO anyway.

wywoody, one advantage of 1/2 round gutters is they clean themselves.

Is the failure of the original gutter a result of water penetration from out in the existing roof field? If so, did you install any type of water stop to protect your new work or do you have to warranty the repair. I've always cringed at situations like this as you know that if you don't address the source of the water penetration the problem will appear again. They will either call you back to "fix your" mistake or badmouth your company if it doesn't work if you don't get them to sign off on what you've found and what you recommend as a solution to the problem.

wywoody,

I can't tell you off hand. Whenever the memorial was built, so it can't be too old. All we are doing is the replacement gutter work. We were not the original installing contractor, but the roof is saturated, I can tell you that much. Work just started, and we are in discovery mode. I guess being a Fed building, I can't talk to much, but we recommended stopping the project for added discovery.... We were over-ruled :(

Mike, how old was the old gutter system that failed?

OS, around here, half round is mainly only used when required for aesthetics. Is there a performance advantage that had you use it on an industrial application? Or was it because it's bracket mounted and an easier install than spikes and ferrules?

I have absolutely no idea if this will work without a link from within the email of an approved recipient, but if it does, it's some gutter work we are doing at the Flight 93 Memorial in PA.

https://www.encitegroup.com/fcs/opm_s_entryview.php?xid=1869_14134017721191r1klDIba&opm_entry_id=38257

If it works, keep in mind the descriptions are meant for customers and non-roofing savvy people.

I will post a picture, but this was hung from the fascia in the cast fascia brackets my brother makes. The gutter lays in the brackets floating so that it can move where it wants to without binding. A really slick system. Strong as heck too. It is nice to have no joints as this place has a real water problem and we are trying to get it into the pipes in the ground and away from the buildings.

We won't do more than 60' without an expansion joint, so I can't really comprehend, but then I'm talking about apron gutters that are tied into the roof system. I suppose a spiked or hung gutter under the drip edge is a different matter.