#1 Med Shakes_Labor Cost_New Construction

Mr. Robert Allen Zimmerman :

The line, it is drawn, the curse, it is cast The slow one will later be fast And the present now will soon be the past The order is rapidly fading The first one now will later be last For the times, they are a changing

Nough said Dylan>>>

I have been buying from D & D Cedar Products for over 10 years. They are in Sumas Wa. very close to the border. Contact number is 360-319-1554. I always ask for the BEST shakes he has regardless of cost. At least I get a quote. More than likely I can get the best for about $10/more per sq. and that is well worth the extra small amount. Several months ago I got raw mediums premium for around $180 delivered. That is down from the $250 I paid last summer. He has a crane truck and will deliver pallets rooftop but you have to unload the pallets and stage the roof for loading. Real nice guy easy to work with. They used to have 5/8" shake that I used instead of 1/2" mediums. They were beautiful and were a joy to install and only cost 10% more than mediums. I haven't used those for several years so I don't know their availability. Nowadays we are installing about 3-5 shake roofs/year. I worked for a company back in the 70's that installed about 15 shake roofs/week. Times have changed. Lanny>>>

lanny Said: ---We charge around that amount. I dont like putting shakes on that some contactor bought. Usually contractors buy the cheapest garbage on the market. It adds to the labor costs when we have to install lots of pencils. ---I only install shakes that I get from a broker on the Canadian border. 100% edgegrain and most are 2-pack. I also use ASTM liner. It just isnt worth messing around to save only a few bucks. ---Nowadays we usually install CCA treated shakes. Lanny

Care to share that brokers contact info? I'm getting quotes for 80% 2 pack at $229.00>>>

The underweight felt used to have two little words on the label right above the big 30 lb. printed on it. In print so small you had to look for it, it said 'substitute for'.>>>

Most felt carries an ASTM #........ ASTM D226 is the good stuff..I believe the thinner stuff is D 4869/something like that. In these parts the term "ASTM felt" is referencing the D226...... We had to special order the D226 when we first arrived here in Colorado, (1992),....The suppliers didn't even stock it or know the difference!!!!!>>>

---ten bucks a square brings back memories! I worked hard to get on 10 squares in a day. The guy I worked with could stick nail 2 squares an hour if the roof was easy. In the mid 70's I got a Paslode gun and that helped me. The guys I worked with would put on 10 squares by 1 PM and go home. We were paid $11/sq all new construction. Lanny>>>

We used to get ten bucks a square to hand-nail shakes. That included felting, flashing, nailing them on, and clean-up. That was in the early seventies. Still, you could make eighty bucks a day that way which back then was definitely not nothing. Shakes cost about thirty dollars a square. Just about everything has gone up by a factor of ten. There's your hundred. I could live on it.>>>

---ASTM 30 lb shake liner rather than just 30lb. For that matter we only use ASTM 15 lb for comp roofs. ASTM felt actually is real 30 lb felt instead of the thinner felt sold as 30 lb. It will say ASTM on the roll. ASTM is an acronym for a standard of quality. ---2 pack refers to 2 shakes sitting side by side across the bundle. This translates to shakes that are about 8 inches wide throughout the bundle instead of shakes that are 4 inches, etc. ---I haven't heard of the term "prime cut" before myself. I assume it refers to "premium" ie 100% edgegrain.>>>

Lanny what's ASTM liner? I wonder how many guys know what 2 pack means? I do. I use Prime cut CCA treated only.>>>

---We charge around that amount. I don't like putting shakes on that some contactor bought. Usually contractors buy the cheapest garbage on the market. It adds to the labor costs when we have to install lots of "pencils." ---I only install shakes that I get from a broker on the Canadian border. 100% edgegrain and most are 2-pack. I also use ASTM liner. It just isn't worth messing around to save only a few bucks. ---Nowadays we usually install CCA treated shakes. Lanny>>>